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February 21st, 2021, 09:10 PM   #81
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I remember the current HRC principal hanging out fake signs in regard to his gap to the second rider when Dani Pedrosa was leading a wet race at the Sachsenring by 7 seconds. Dani eventually crashed out. I am not sure I would rely on Puig in regard to rider safety either.

Colin Edwards might have started this, he rode 9 days after shattering his clavicle which was considered superhuman at that time.
I think Ex-races/ex-athletes fall into the 'well I did it, so why should I stop them doing it/why shouldn't they do it if I was able to to etc.' Puig seems to be an extremely driven individual who experiences winning vicariously in the same manner he did when he was the one winning. I'm not saying that's a bad thing but it clouds his judgement in what it best for the rider in the long term. If the rider is only contracted for the season then the teams want to win may be more important to them than the long term health and safety of the rider but in the Marquez case his long term health and safety was the key for Honda's success going forward given he had another 4 years remaining on his contract.
I think part of the problem with MotoGP is that interests aren't separated as much as they are in other sports. It seems that Dorna dictates to the FIM rather than the FIM dictating to Dorna, as governing bodies do in many other sports. Don't get me corruption is rife in all sports on one level or another so Grand Prix racing is hardly alone in that sense. But the partnership (which I believe is an official partnership) between Dorna and the FIM means that the FIM will never make any rules etc that will harm Dorna's and their own bottom line.
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I remember the current HRC principal hanging out fake signs in regard to his gap to the second rider when Dani Pedrosa was leading a wet race at the Sachsenring by 7 seconds. Dani eventually crashed out. I am not sure I would rely on Puig in regard to rider safety either.

Colin Edwards might have started this, he rode 9 days after shattering his clavicle which was considered superhuman at that time.
I remember that race, is that what happened? Hells bells that's bad.

At the time I was wondering why he was racing like a madman that day in those conditions.
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It appears Marquez is aiming for the Qatar GP. I really hope he isn't stupid enough to rush and more importantly his team doesn't allow him to. If Mick can put a championship run together while in his 30's so can Marquez IMO. No need to rush back.
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Marquez out of Qatar MotoGP test as return date still unknown

""Yeah, of course step-by-step I feel much better, and the recovery is going in a good way," Marquez said.

"Every time I go to the doctor, normally we have good news.

"That is really important because last year was quite long and tough. But now just we try to follow my body, with the physio, with the doctor, try to increase a little bit the work at home.

"But I don't know and the doctors don't know when I will be ready.

"The most important thing is every week - not every day - but every week I feel a bit better and I'm optimistic to be on the bike as soon as possible.

"But I don't know exactly when will be the day."

When asked by Autosport if he had a goal in mind for when he thinks he can return, Marquez hasn't ruled out racing in the Qatar GP - but will take it race by race and base his ambitions on advice from doctors and how this will affect his training."


That sounds more like it. They were not ruling out Marc racing for a lot of last season and kept saying he was not racing soon before the time to race. That approach has not changed, it would seem.
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You can draw your own conclusions. He has more plates in the hand of his injured arm.

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Well, it's like speeding or gambling. We do it thinking we will come out OK. If a disaster occurred every time, we would not take the risk since it wouldn't be a risk anymore, but just plain stupidity. Surgeon and team took a risk thinking they had a bailout if things didn't work out. They didn't expect problems to escalate as they did. Marc, who takes a risk every time he jumps on that bike, did what he is so accustomed to doing once he got the nod to go ahead. This is why he said that he depends on the team and doctors to help him decide. Once he's allowed, he will be going on the bike.... gotta love him for his tenacity. That's part of his training and conditioning. He's a gladiator.

Now that a disaster has occurred, the blame game starts. Someone has to be held fully accountable. This latest one about the initial operation being doomed to failure from the get go is one example.

With good, even reasonable, fixation, there's no need to wear a cast or sling. What he shouldn't be doing is heavy training and riding at MotoGP speeds as if there's no fracture trying to heal. It boggles my mind what they were thinking taking such a risk. The doctors and teams have been pushing the envelope with allowing riders to ride injured and they've been getting away with it. I was amazed at Lorenzo's early comeback after fracturing his clavicle and having it plated. He got away with it but it set an interesting precedent. Others would follow suit and try to push the envelope even further. The system of determining fitness for riding needs an overhaul and sadly, it takes events as these to prompt such change since otherwise, the teams and riders will be complaining.

It's the up to the governing body to legislate regulations that protect the riders from the teams and also, the riders from themselves. Not only rules that discourage cheating, dangerous or irresponsible riding, but also rules that ensure riders are properly recovered from injuries. A long bone fracture heals relatively predictably. The governing body's mistake is to buy into the notion that an internally fixated long-bone fracture that allows for early mobilisation and faster rehab, should be allowed to undergo the stresses of riding and worse, the risk of falling off the bike and stressing the fixation in an uncontrolled way.

When Marc withdrew from the race, I was relieved but further damage already been done. Enough to lead to the chain of events we are still witnessing unfold after almost a year, rather than 6-8 weeks.
Yes I understand what you are saying. Yet, Mick Doohan was quite critical of the doctor who performed the initial operation on his leg, with good reason from his standpoint. Marquez? Motogp is not lacking those who are more concerned with profit rather than well-being.
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Yes I understand what you are saying. Yet, Mick Doohan was quite critical of the doctor who performed the initial operation on his leg, with good reason from his standpoint. Marquez? Motogp is not lacking those who are more concerned with profit rather than well-being.
I don't know Doohan's story that well and may actually end up agreeing with Doohan. Who knows? I don't see what his experience has to do with Marquez's specifically and how one can even try to extrapolate anecdotally.
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You can draw your own conclusions. He has more plates in the hand of his injured arm.
I really hope that he returns. That picture made me realise how much I miss his presence on the grid.
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I don't know Doohan's story that well and may actually end up agreeing with Doohan. Who knows? I don't see what his experience has to do with Marquez's specifically and how one can even try to extrapolate anecdotally.
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You can draw your own conclusions. He has more plates in the hand of his injured arm.
Very hopeful. He is not doing that exercise with real plates unless they are confident that bony union is well in progress.
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