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February 15th, 2021, 04:09 AM   #61
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I am very confident he will do whatever it takes to get back to sufficient functionality, and that he will totally ignore any residual discomfort he might have. The one guy who might rival him for toughness and willpower required a yearís interregnum before he won the 1994 title though.

The bone has to knit first, and until it does it hasnít. That is my doubt about next season, everything is subsidiary to the fracture healing, and after his stormy course he and his medical advisors have to be fairly certain he is past that stage before he works on anything else with the arm.
I agree with this.
With Csorrenti experience though, what we have to remember is that elite athletes can afford the best in pre-op and post-op care. When I've been injured a lot of the rehab has come down to the type of care or treatment I could afford at the time, along with time I could dedicate etc. These guys have a full team of staff catering to everything to do with their rehab which is why elite athletes make comebacks that are super human. As well as being driven in a way that most of us will never know they will also have someone on their ass pushing them to do whatever needs to be done at the times when it seems to hard, they're tired, frustrated etc. I would be beyond surprised if Marquez takes the championship next year but I would be much more surprised if he never wins another title.
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Marc has uploaded photos to social media of him starting up his workout routines again, so I take this as a positive development. It doesn't provide any insight into how he will handle being back on a grand prix motorcycle of course, but being that mental toughness makes a huge difference out there, we know he's got that in spades. I would say if any rider can make a successful comeback from this injury, it would be him because his mental attitude/approach is greater than anyone else currently on the grid. And let's face it...the proof is in him riding dodgy bikes to world titles. He single-handedly won HRC the constructor's championship in 2019. That's a feat that doesn't get acknowledged quite enough especially since it basically turned into a 1 v. 4 match against the other two major factories.

I know it's become commonplace to say Marc's injury was the end result of taking too many chances. I'd argue it ties into that increased grip Michelin rear. I personally feel it was a perfect storm with regards to the grip level of the rear and the scorching heat of Jerez that did him in that day. To elaborate, my suspicion is that he was spinning up the rear and sliding a little bit through the corner as he normally would. You can see before he highsides he lays down a major strip of rubber on the track surface.



Right as he's starting to pick the bike back up, it looks like the rear tire regained full grip unexpectedly, throwing him off. I think if the race had been in May like normal, this likely never would have happened, or even if it had been in the fall when temperatures started cooling down. They never raced in Jerez in July and you combine that with the 2020 Michelin rear, I think that was the problem. He just had the misfortune of being in the wrong spot when the bike hit him.
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Was he working out with the fractured arm ?. If he is, bingo, but a previous video showed him working out with the other arm.

I like your theory for the proximate cause of his arm fracture, but he was pushing really hard for no purpose other than to prove a point to the field in general and probably FQ in particular, he had already come through the field to second and the time gap to first was too big for even him to overcome with the number of laps remaining. He injured the shoulder once for similar reasons.
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Was he working out with the fractured arm ?. If he is, bingo, but a previous video showed him working out with the other arm.

I like your theory for the proximate cause of his arm fracture, but he was pushing really hard for no purpose other than to prove a point to the field in general and probably FQ in particular, he had already come through the field to second and the time gap to first was too big for even him to overcome with the number of laps remaining. He injured the shoulder once for similar reasons.
I just look at what happened as an outgrowth of Michelin continuing to provide what IMO has been a substandard GP tire since 2016. I know we discussed all of this at the time regarding how abysmal their front tire was, but I have an ethical issue with designing a rear tire for the sole purpose of benefitting the inline 4 machines. To me anyway, it's more evidence that there should be two tire suppliers in that class as opposed to a situation that results in every bike being designed to a spec tire. Yeah he did push harder than he should have but that's an easy criticism to make in hindsight. He's who he is because he's made a successful career out of riding on the limit more consistently and frequently than any other rider during his career.
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I just look at what happened as an outgrowth of Michelin continuing to provide what IMO has been a substandard GP tire since 2016. I know we discussed all of this at the time regarding how abysmal their front tire was, but I have an ethical issue with designing a rear tire for the sole purpose of benefitting the inline 4 machines. To me anyway, it's more evidence that there should be two tire suppliers in that class as opposed to a situation that results in every bike being designed to a spec tire. Yeah he did push harder than he should have but that's an easy criticism to make in hindsight. He's who he is because he's made a successful career out of riding on the limit more consistently and frequently than any other rider during his career.
Sure, he is who he is which is why he has all the titles, and I really hope this injury wonít stop him from being competitive for further titles, which is why I would be very happy if this is a new video and he is using both arms in training, although a little surprised if the fracture had healed to that extent given all the previous complications.

I agree the Michelin tyres are rubbish and donít suit left field riding styles or bike designs, and surely with riders at least we are looking for them to be out of the ordinary.
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Marc has uploaded photos to social media of him starting up his workout routines again, so I take this as a positive development. It doesn't provide any insight into how he will handle being back on a grand prix motorcycle of course, but being that mental toughness makes a huge difference out there, we know he's got that in spades. I would say if any rider can make a successful comeback from this injury, it would be him because his mental attitude/approach is greater than anyone else currently on the grid. And let's face it...the proof is in him riding dodgy bikes to world titles. He single-handedly won HRC the constructor's championship in 2019. That's a feat that doesn't get acknowledged quite enough especially since it basically turned into a 1 v. 4 match against the other two major factories.

I know it's become commonplace to say Marc's injury was the end result of taking too many chances. I'd argue it ties into that increased grip Michelin rear. I personally feel it was a perfect storm with regards to the grip level of the rear and the scorching heat of Jerez that did him in that day. To elaborate, my suspicion is that he was spinning up the rear and sliding a little bit through the corner as he normally would. You can see before he highsides he lays down a major strip of rubber on the track surface.



Right as he's starting to pick the bike back up, it looks like the rear tire regained full grip unexpectedly, throwing him off. I think if the race had been in May like normal, this likely never would have happened, or even if it had been in the fall when temperatures started cooling down. They never raced in Jerez in July and you combine that with the 2020 Michelin rear, I think that was the problem. He just had the misfortune of being in the wrong spot when the bike hit him.
The whole thing was a perfect storm not just the accident but the fallout. Unusual back to back races meant he came back the week of the operation. The shortened season meant that he thought missing one race could end his title hopes when in a longer season he may mot have rushed back.
He bought into the Fabio hype along with a lot of others. If he knew Fabio was going to falter like he did, he probably doesn't come back.
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The whole thing was a perfect storm not just the accident but the fallout. Unusual back to back races meant he came back the week of the operation. The shortened season meant that he thought missing one race could end his title hopes when in a longer season he may mot have rushed back.
He bought into the Fabio hype along with a lot of others. If he knew Fabio was going to falter like he did, he probably doesn't come back.
The first surgery was doomed to fail regardless of whether he came back or not. I've read multiple accounts elsewhere that it was not a well performed surgery with how the plate was attached. The screws were already starting to back out before he ever exerted any force on the arm. So it was only a matter of time before things went wrong there, not if.
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The first surgery was doomed to fail regardless of whether he came back or not. I've read multiple accounts elsewhere that it was not a well performed surgery with how the plate was attached. The screws were already starting to back out before he ever exerted any force on the arm. So it was only a matter of time before things went wrong there, not if.
I wouldn't agree with this assumption which is all that it is. This sounds like propaganda to excuse the actions/decisions following his initial surgery.

Whether or not the operation was suboptimal. There is no doubting the contribution of having disturbed the fracture site through breaking the plate and having to undergo an additional procedure for that. Breaking the plate isn't easy and takes secure fixation to achieve.
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I wouldn't agree with this assumption which is all that it is. This sounds like propaganda to excuse the actions/decisions following his initial surgery.

Whether or not the operation was suboptimal. There is no doubting the contribution of having disturbed the fracture site through breaking the plate and having to undergo an additional procedure for that. Breaking the plate isn't easy and takes secure fixation to achieve.
You would know better than me, but I agree the trying to ride was probably more problematic than the initial operation, and the second operation may have been the problematic one as far as the actual operation was concerned. The press releases in the last week do seem to imply that bony union is at least in process now which is somewhat encouraging.
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The first surgery was doomed to fail regardless of whether he came back or not. I've read multiple accounts elsewhere that it was not a well performed surgery with how the plate was attached. The screws were already starting to back out before he ever exerted any force on the arm. So it was only a matter of time before things went wrong there, not if.
100% agree. Even if it held on that first race, it was always going to fail at some point. The correct response was to Marquez he can’t ride and put him in a cast. Not screws no plate no choice. That is the doctors actual duty to the patient.
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