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November 13th, 2020, 11:23 PM   #1
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Things, feelings, points about 2020.

Just a random thread to bring up something about 2020 that probably doesn't deserve its own thread.

1. Without Marquez domination the championship wasn't anymore interesting. I put that down to the championship protagonists never fighting for the championship with each other. The second half of the seasons championship fight was Mir gaining/extending his lead while Dovi, Maverick and Fabio fucked up. I know it's not over yet but it's hard to imagine Mir not taking 14 points in the last two races. There's been some good races as there is every year.

2. Marquez's absence showed a lot of other riders weaknesses IMO. This was probably going to happen either way when Fabio's championship charge against Marquez faltered.

3. VR46 going to the big class in 2022. Still remains to be seen if he will race in 2022. But I think everyone has won from the scenario because:
Herve got full factory support and sponsorship at tech 3 taking his first win and essentially being at KTM what he always wanted at Yamaha.
Yamaha got Petronas on board, whether their relationship will evolve into Petronas being the title sponsor for both teams or not is yet to be seen. But Petronas have the money to buy full spec current factory bikes. Something that Tech 3 never had.
Suzuki getting VR46 is great for them, a well funded satellite team is the only thing missing for the champion elects.

4. Rossi paying for Marini's GP rise is hilarious given all the complaints that the Valeban had over Alex going to Repsol Honda, claims of nepotism etc. At least Alex is a 2x champ. It's even funnier if it comes at the expense of his moto3 outfit.

5. Every rider should learn from Marquez's experience this year. Some injuries you shouldn't rush back from.

6. Marquez should probably never see the doctors who said he would be, could be or might be ok attempting to come back 4 or 5 days after his surgery. Marquez like other great athletes was always going to attempt to comeback as soon as possible but I have to think a Dr with balls would have dug in and told him that if he sits out a race he will be much better off. IIRC Puig said that they weren't correctly informed about the potential hazards of attempting to come back so soon. At the end of the day, IMO one of the main roles of being in any kind of coaching or athlete management role is saving athletes from themselves. I've spoken about playing through pain and injuries before here. After my second knee reconstruction my coach who is also a good mate of mine, kept a close eye on me, managed me very well and was one of the main reasons I didn't get injured while I was rehabbing and healing. All athletes need someone like that, yes men are the worst thing for any athletes career, Mike Tyson is perhaps the best example.

7. Mir and Suzuki winning the title is the best outcome for the sport. Brivio said it best, if Yamaha riders were punished (as they probably should have been) it puts an asterisk next to whoever won the title. If a Yamaha rider won the title it also puts an asterisk next to the win.

8. Yamaha seems to attract riders who bitch and moan incessantly. I found it funny that Vinales had said maybe with Cals outspoken personality Yamaha would fix the bike. It's not like Rossi and Vinales have been bitching and moaning for the past 4 seasons or anything.

9. Mir is extremely likeable.

10. Michelin still sucks. It is what it is. But they're not consistent. This isn't an excuse for Yamaha and/or their riders. It's the same for everyone and most experience the highs and lows that Yamaha and its riders do.

11. Its been weird without the fans but I haven't missed them at all. If anything its been great not to hear a bunch of wankers cheering for crashes.
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November 15th, 2020, 10:44 PM   #2
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Let me start off by saying, upmost respect to Marc Marquez. At the end of the day, he will always be short of that one additional championship he could have won this year. He is cut from a different cloth, and I love to see the limits of the motorcycle pushed.

I started watching and learning about the MotoGP as a Dovi fan, because he was Ducati's posterchild and an Italian native. After being let down race after race with his performance, I picked up an interest this year in Quartararo at the start of the season, and I really wish he was able to secure a championship win.

That being said, I think Jack Miller is going to be a top 3 performer in the MotoGP moving forward. I think he has potential to be one of the greats, because similar to Marquez, he is reckless; reckless in a "safe" manner.

My eyes are also on Morbidelli and Alex Marquez. They have talent I would like to see grow. Big congrats to Espargaro and Crutchlow this season. I'm too young to remember any of the Rossi years, but I am interested to see more and more records broken with Marc Marquez.

My fantasy team next year would probably consist of

1. Quartararo
2. Miller

3. Espargaro
4. Petrucci
5. Morbidelli
6. Dovizioso
7. Nakagami


Still waiting for BMW to join the MotoGP... Any day now...

Congrats Mir, enjoy it.

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Let me start off by saying, upmost respect to Marc Marquez. At the end of the day, he will always be short of that one additional championship he could have won this year. He is cut from a different cloth, and I love to see the limits of the motorcycle pushed.

I started watching and learning about the MotoGP as a Dovi fan, because he was Ducati's posterchild and an Italian native. After being let down race after race with his performance, I picked up an interest this year in Quartararo at the start of the season, and I really wish he was able to secure a championship win.

That being said, I think Jack Miller is going to be a top 3 performer in the MotoGP moving forward. I think he has potential to be one of the greats, because similar to Marquez, he is reckless; reckless in a "safe" manner.

My eyes are also on Morbidelli and Alex Marquez. They have talent I would like to see grow. Big congrats to Espargaro and Crutchlow this season. I'm too young to remember any of the Rossi years, but I am interested to see more and more records broken with Marc Marquez.

My fantasy team next year would probably consist of

1. Quartararo
2. Miller

3. Espargaro
4. Petrucci
5. Morbidelli
6. Dovizioso
7. Nakagami


Still waiting for BMW to join the MotoGP... Any day now...

Congrats Mir, enjoy it.
Jack has rekindled my hopes for him, that was a great ride on a Ducati on that circuit, he finally managed to have some tires left at the end of a race, and as you implied he rode at the absolute limit for many laps and had a fierce last lap duel with Morbidelli without crashing out himself or taking Morbidelli out.

Maybe the 2020 Yamaha was that bad, but I have to rate Mir, Morbidelli and Rins ahead of FQ currently, he is fast but I have yet to see from him the racecraft including decisive passing that Mir and Morbidelli have shown.
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I wouldn’t have Dovi in your fantasy team, he won’t be racing! Not sure Petrucci will be that great either. Olivera and Binder I can see doing well next year too.
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Jack has rekindled my hopes for him, that was a great ride on a Ducati on that circuit, he finally managed to have some tires left at the end of a race, and as you implied he rode at the absolute limit for many laps and had a fierce last lap duel with Morbidelli without crashing out himself or taking Morbidelli out.

Maybe the 2020 Yamaha was that bad, but I have to rate Mir, Morbidelli and Rins ahead of FQ currently, he is fast but I have yet to see from him the racecraft including decisive passing that Mir and Morbidelli have shown.
This exactly. Morbidelli showed great discipline and defense. Jack tried everything he could.

FQ still lacking in racecraft as stated, and mental fortitude. The latter trait is harder to discern, needing to be read between the lines so to speak. I like FQ and hope he will mature. I believe he is younger than Morbidelli and Mir? Maybe not by much but he does appear less "grown up." Time will tell whether he makes the necessary step.

Mir still has issues as well, like qualifying and winning. So far he has shown himself to be a points racer. Can't help but compare his season to KRJR's championship season. Both won on points, not victories. Not taking anything away from Mir, he won the championship. But he did so basically by not falling down. Which is a start.
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Morbidelli earned two huge minuses in my book, now I will never root for him. I always presume people are good, but once they fail to justify the trust it is final for me. I used to hold executive positions before I retired, I've hired many people and fired some, in practice giving second chances does not pay off. Nope, Morbidelli is one of two racers in paddock I consider obnoxious. Everybody else has my deep admiration.
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Curious, what are the two huge minuses Segfault?

One thing this season that really bothered me on his account was lambasting Zarco and faulting him for the big crash. Debatable at best and poor form in any case.
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Curious, what are the two huge minuses Segfault?

One thing this season that really bothered me on his account was lambasting Zarco and faulting him for the big crash. Debatable at best and poor form in any case.
I agree, but Zarco seems to be everyone's whipping boy for whatever reason. How Zarco got the blame for Pol riding into him I will never understand.
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Who the fuck would've predicted Fabio finishing the championship down in 8th?
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It’s certainly unexpected.

Just seen this morning that the Aprilia seat will be either Savadori or Bradley Smith. I’m hoping for Bradley.
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