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November 15th, 2020, 03:46 PM | #31 |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,107 Likes: 2375 | Lorenzo bike vs Vinales bike perhaps, can’t blame Rossi for this bike; he said they weren’t listening to his preferences, while Maverick asked for and was given the keys to the kingdom, although he is apparently now saying the 2020 bike was flawed from the getgo.
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November 15th, 2020, 08:48 PM | #32 | |
Senior Member Joined: Nov 2015 From: On the edge in California Posts: 354 Likes: 133 I Ride: 1972 BMW R75/5 and 1989 Honda Hawk NT650GT | Quote:
Yamaha, what a year. They really lost their way, what a shame really. Who’s head is going to roll? | |
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November 16th, 2020, 12:01 AM | #33 | |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2015 From: Fremantle, Australia Posts: 1,900 Likes: 814 | Quote:
Their 3 riders at the moment though are as Kesh pointed out reminiscent of Pedrosa, untouchable on their day but things need to be perfect. Fabio is still young so I think he's a good chance to turn things around. I expect that the next 2 seasons will be Vinales' last on a factory Yamaha. Mixture of good talent coming through and it being more or less proven that he will never have the consistency to push for a championship. I wouldn't consider it good practice to consistently throw your factory under the bus. | |
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November 16th, 2020, 02:39 AM | #34 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,107 Likes: 2375 | Quote:
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November 16th, 2020, 03:04 AM | #35 | |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2015 From: Fremantle, Australia Posts: 1,900 Likes: 814 | Quote:
If the tyre lottery was a main culprit of the inconsistency it didn't make for an exciting or interesting championship battle. I don't think we saw championship rivals fighting each other for a win, podium or even a position during the entire season. | |
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November 16th, 2020, 05:08 AM | #36 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,107 Likes: 2375 | Quote:
(EDIT My poorly expressed point such as it is was that I am not sure that Suzuki can have fully designed their bike ahead of time to suit what are imo bad tires. Obviously their entire operation used the tires everyone was given the best. The Yamaha bike/rider combinations seem to operate in a much narrower window, and I am not sure there was much the riders could do about it when conditions didn’t suit). Last edited by michaelm; November 16th, 2020 at 05:36 AM. | |
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November 16th, 2020, 09:30 AM | #37 |
Senior Member Joined: May 2006 From: UK Posts: 873 Likes: 14 |
I realised this morning that when this season is finished, out of 14 races the title was won by less than seven race wins worth of points. If Marquez comes back from the injury as strong as before and the rest of the field have a season like this, they'll all be racing for second place next year. |
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November 16th, 2020, 11:47 PM | #38 | |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2015 From: Fremantle, Australia Posts: 1,900 Likes: 814 | Quote:
![]() For me a huge red flag was in 2017 when Michelin worked on the tyre that was rejected by everyone bar Rossi. IIRC they actually did say that after the testing they worked on the rejected tyre. It leads me to believe it is a little from column A and a little from column B or it was at one point but now its just column B. | |
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November 17th, 2020, 01:50 AM | #39 | |
Senior Member Joined: Apr 2016 From: UK Posts: 126 Likes: 94 | Quote:
Rossi was very vocal about the front tyre construction they started 2017 with saying that it wasn't stable/consistent enough (too soft) when pushed to the limit and he preferred one of the other options with a harder construction. Michelin confirmed that they thought 'well, everyone but Rossi is happy with it, so that's the construction we will use' Then after the first few races we had an ungodly amount of front end crashes which prompted the riders to vote on whether to force Michelin to change the front tyre construction for one Rossi originally preferred on 'safety' grounds. They voted overwhelmingly in favour of of switching the front tyre construction (only Pol and Jorge voted against it as I remember and Rossi abstained) | |
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November 17th, 2020, 02:20 AM | #40 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,107 Likes: 2375 | Quote:
I never had a problem with them making the previously rejected tire available, they just need to keep the tire originally voted for going as well. Dorna themselves have subsequently recognised this, there is a rule now. Your perception was perhaps not the general one, there were even comments from other riders about Michelin making Rossi his own tires. MM was fine with the change of course, I think he may have even said, correctly, that a tire which suited Rossi was also a tire which suited him. Perhaps Valentino learnt from experience having voted for the less durable tire in the previous rider tire vote which conveniently removed the tire on which Stoner was prospering early that season; Stoner predicted the tire voted for on that occasion would prove insufficiently durable under race conditions, very definitely correctly, with subsequent delaminations of the tire concerned including on Rossi’s bike in one race. Last edited by michaelm; November 17th, 2020 at 02:27 AM. | |
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