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November 7th, 2020, 12:59 AM   #11
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If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

Remember when HRC was freezing the some of the fuel in the tanks so that they could get around the maximum fuel load rule and run a more aggressive engine mapping.
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I haven't read about any sanctions yet. Is it fair to penalise a rider who has unknowingly ridden a non compliant bike? And is it right that Yamaha only cop a team sanction, whereby a rider can still claim a title on a non sanctioned machine?
So you go to a race track (horses), the Horse is doped and wins. The stewards find out - do they:

A - Fine the owner and let the Win stand

B - Fine the owner and strip the Win


We all know it is B all day long
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November 7th, 2020, 05:15 AM   #13
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Alex Marquez said what everyone else is thinking -


Marquez: Yamaha cheated and the MotoGP riders knew it



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If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

Remember when HRC was freezing the some of the fuel in the tanks so that they could get around the maximum fuel load rule and run a more aggressive engine mapping.
Exploiting loopholes or interpreting the rules clearly outside the 'spirit of the rules', all to your advantage, is one thing. Cheating is very different.
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If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

Remember when HRC was freezing the some of the fuel in the tanks so that they could get around the maximum fuel load rule and run a more aggressive engine mapping.
Was that taking advantage of vagueness rather than straight up cheating?
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So you go to a race track (horses), the Horse is doped and wins. The stewards find out - do they:

A - Fine the owner and let the Win stand

B - Fine the owner and strip the Win


We all know it is B all day long
The only excuse for A is where the money is.
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If Vinales used two new engines during practice sessions, would he be getting away with just one penalty and two new engines? I think Hamilton did something like this and swapped out a number of engines, ending up with only one penalty. Just curious ...
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Was that taking advantage of vagueness rather than straight up cheating?
They were straight up cheating. They were freezing some of the fuel at the bottom of the fuel tank to make it more dense so they could have more liters in the tank. Of course the frozen fuel thaws during the race allowing HRC to take advantage of a more aggressive fuel mapping. They told the inspectors not to put the dipstick (to check fuel load) all the way to the bottom of the tank because of "sensitive" electronics they supposedly had in the tank that could get damaged.

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If Vinales used two new engines during practice sessions, would he be getting away with just one penalty and two new engines? I think Hamilton did something like this and swapped out a number of engines, ending up with only one penalty. Just curious ...
I don't think the same rules would apply here since F1 at one time were faced with ridiculously compounded penalties because teams had to changing power units or components of them over and over again. The FIA had no option to reassert some sanity to the situation by giving a maximum power unit related penalty per race weekend. The loophole of course, was that teams could use multiple new units in a weekend without having to do more than start from the back of the grid. I don't know if they actually plugged it but it's been a non-issue with the improved reliability. They soon adjusted the rules so that teams wouldn't be stuck with broken homologated units.

So, IMO, Yamaha has become the victim of ridiculous rules that seem OK on paper until a problem like this arises where there is a KNOWN defect in the power units that they are unable to rectify! This, IMO, isn't good competition. Now they are 'forced' to cheat their way out of it?! It's not like they're changing components for the sole purpose of gaining a performance advantage.
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It's a team sport. To get a good result, the rider benefits from the bike as much as the bike from the rider. So if the bike isn't legal, the rider hasn't competed legally. If the rider is penalised, the constructor's result will be affected. It's pure politics why the rider's points aren't affected.... that's down to the power of the dollar.
Precisely. It's regrettable for the rider, but in the big picture, the rider is part of a team effort, which means win together or lose together.
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