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October 18th, 2020, 02:45 PM | #41 | |
Senior Member Joined: Jul 2011 From: Dont Know Posts: 1,454 Likes: 854 | Quote:
Cars and bikes though, not really the same and I've not witnessed it much other than perhaps 125/moto3. What I have seen quite often is a line of bikes running onto a straight, not at all nose to tail sometimes quite a distance apart, and we all marvel including the commentators how bike/rider number 4 somehow ends up in the lead, while the poor old leader ends up in 4th. I would postulate we have bikes running down a straight, they are all geared correctly to be hitting close to the rev limiter in 6th gear and hence they don't really have the capacity to endlessly go faster, the bike in 4th cant be running 20mph quicker without blowing the engine. How does 4th end up 1st? It could simply be down to increasingly improved acceleration for each bike in line in the tow. Yet when we see this happen it certainly appears the lead bike in a group of drafting bikes tends to suffer rather benefiting in any way, no positive air pressure pushing going on that I can see, that would surely help the leader as the bike behind approaches. | |
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October 18th, 2020, 03:21 PM | #42 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,107 Likes: 2375 | Quote:
The only thing is while the fact that you have raced is fairly clinching in any discussion such as this in all my years of following MotoGP I have never heard anyone, commentator or rider, complain about towing ruining a qualifying lap or slowing down the tower, as in this case where Dovi’s complaint seems to have been exclusively that the tow allowed Petrucci to set a time faster than he could have achieved with his own intrinsic pace, and he straight out said he wasn’t looking for any help such as a tow from Petrucci. Last edited by michaelm; October 18th, 2020 at 04:43 PM. | |
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October 18th, 2020, 04:09 PM | #43 | |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Nu Yawk City Posts: 10,209 Likes: 1766 I Ride: Triiumph Tiger XCx 800 + KTM SXF450sm + 511SMR | Quote:
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October 18th, 2020, 04:48 PM | #44 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,107 Likes: 2375 | Quote:
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October 19th, 2020, 10:08 AM | #45 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2014 From: S. Florida Posts: 158 Likes: 42 I Ride: 2014 HP4 2015 R1 (track bike) | Quote:
remember it took 20 a year to win a race and the media was all over him saying he is the next coming. 93 won back to back championships and at the time was never mentioned. | |
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October 19th, 2020, 11:28 AM | #46 | |
Senior Member Joined: Jun 2008 From: USA Posts: 1,052 Likes: 268 | Quote:
For sure Fabio is very inconsistent. I think we may see a repeat of his moto3 years. | |
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October 19th, 2020, 01:10 PM | #47 |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Nu Yawk City Posts: 10,209 Likes: 1766 I Ride: Triiumph Tiger XCx 800 + KTM SXF450sm + 511SMR |
The elephant in the room; all riders have favorite tracks where they gel with the circuit, as, well as bogey tracks. The loss of Thailand, China, USA, Australia etc. really does skew the results. The fact that some riders get to race multiple times at tracks that favor their bike and/or their riding style throws outsized advantage to certain riders
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October 19th, 2020, 02:20 PM | #48 |
Senior Member Joined: Nov 2015 From: On the edge in California Posts: 354 Likes: 133 I Ride: 1972 BMW R75/5 and 1989 Honda Hawk NT650GT |
This maybe true, but it is also just the fact that there are fewer tracks. If yer gonna race, ya gotta do it at a track. Just like always, the better you are, the faster you’ll go. Doesn’t matter where. Get better at your bogey tracks is the correct advice to hand out. (Not that I’m dispensing any, he he.)
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October 20th, 2020, 01:19 AM | #49 |
Senior Member Joined: Oct 2011 From: Adelaide Posts: 232 Likes: 105 |
I always thought it was more that the bikes didn't gel with a circuit, rather than the rider.
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October 20th, 2020, 06:55 AM | #50 | |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Nu Yawk City Posts: 10,209 Likes: 1766 I Ride: Triiumph Tiger XCx 800 + KTM SXF450sm + 511SMR | Quote:
Riders at all levels agree that they're more comfortable or more adept, on one side vs the other. If you keep track of places where a given rider makes his passes they tend to be mostly in a left or right. Of course they have to be good at both, but there's always a preference, so tracks with predominantly left turns will favor certain riders and right turns, others. Stoner, as well as many of the great American riders, started out in pee wee flat track classes and on into their teen years, on tracks where they only turned to the left, so for sure left turn passes were deeply in the their DNA. Last edited by Keshav; October 20th, 2020 at 12:15 PM. | |
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