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October 18th, 2020, 06:55 AM   #31
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Yeah good ride by AM.
Rins did well to respond and resist. Good win.
Shat on the "supercars" at Bathurst from a great height, as expected.
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How is it possible to miss the point so completely? What are you drinking.

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I know aerodynamics a bit and I started thinking about it. I think your thesis is fundamentally flawed. It does not take into account two bikes riding one after another will enjoy combined air drag which is less than two bikes separately. As a result the bike behind is actually making it easier for bike ahead and it may even go a tiny bit faster. Most of benefit of this shared drag goes to the bike behind indeed.
Thus, Petrucci getting close to Dovi actually helped him to go faster.
I don't often mention it, but I have raced and run an endurance team for several years. What I said is borne out by actual experience, rather than stuff gleaned via Google. Every racer I've known - agrees that a rider in your tow slows you down, if for no other reason than the rider behind deforms the air-flow behind you. Your logic is entirely flawed and based on ...???

This being the age of the internet, when everybody is entitled to their own set of facts, people believing in Q-anon and insisting the earth is flat, I'm going to assume you will hold fast to your beliefs. So let's leave it - and just agree to disagree.
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In Marc's absence the other Honda riders are getting steadily faster. Why is that. They were nowhere when Marc was on the grid.
If Mir is setting himself the goal to lift the title without winning a single race then he is on right track indeed. Suzuki is a great bike, too. Some of those passes they made were like miracles.
Ducati seems plain screwed. Nobody to blame, too, they have done it all by themselves.
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In the event, it was a great feckin' race. Little Alex proving everybody (self included) wrong, is a treat. His change in pace is so dramatic - that one has to wonder if Honda really found something special, or if they're somehow cheating. I doubt the latter, but it has occurred to me. That Honda looked much more stable than it has in years.

Loved seeing two Suzukis on the podium.
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Amazing race. I said I predicted Nakagami for a podium and he was 5th so I wasn’t too far off. Alex Marquez is really impressive.
Yes, can only credit AM for these last 2 races and his development over the season. He has also finished every race the commentators were saying, so perhaps he has had the right plan all along and worked his way into things. A little less impetuous than his brother which might be no bad thing.

The Honda is looking like a much better bike than earlier in the year. I don’t know if that can be put down to any of the current riders, but they can’t have harmed things either. I guess their MotoGP effort might be getting more focus/resources now they are pulling out of F1 (again).
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Your logic is entirely flawed and based on ...???
Your opinion is based on "butt feeling", mine is not opinion, it is based on science.

You are right there is low pressure area behind an object which moves thru air and it "pulls back". What you ignore is the fact there is also high pressure area in front of that object. When the bike from behind B approaches the bike in front A the high pressure area from B starts neutralizing the pullback power bike A is experiencing. This high pressure area in front is much smaller than the low pressure area in back, but it is there.
There is absolutely no scientific explanation how the bike behind could slow down the bike ahead, unless the rider in the back is Magneto ...
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Your opinion is based on "butt feeling", mine is not opinion, it is based on science.

You are right there is low pressure area behind an object which moves thru air and it "pulls back". What you ignore is the fact there is also high pressure area in front of that object. When the bike from behind B approaches the bike in front A the high pressure area from B starts neutralizing the pullback power bike A is experiencing. This high pressure area in front is much smaller than the low pressure area in back, but it is there.
There is absolutely no scientific explanation how the bike behind could slow down the bike ahead, unless the rider in the back is Magneto ...
An interesting debate, including the science vs racing experience aspect.

I saw actual quotes from Dovi after the early part of the thread, and he didn’t complain about Petrux slowing him down fwiw, just that he deliberately manoeuvred to get a tow 3 separate times, and in Dovi’s view which seems correct to me gained an advantage from Dovi’s superior intrinsic pace which put him on Q2 ahead of Dovi.
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2 excellent weekends for Alex Marquez in a row. Strongly starting to think that HRC made the wrong call replacing him with Pol.

Excellent ride from the younger Marquez. He does ride with the wheels more inline verses older brother out of shape style. HRC may have a dilemma on their hands if the next rounds produces similar or better results. Marc's tweet @ the end of the race was sweet.





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Yamahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Your opinion is based on "butt feeling", mine is not opinion, it is based on science.

You are right there is low pressure area behind an object which moves thru air and it "pulls back". What you ignore is the fact there is also high pressure area in front of that object. When the bike from behind B approaches the bike in front A the high pressure area from B starts neutralizing the pullback power bike A is experiencing. This high pressure area in front is much smaller than the low pressure area in back, but it is there.
There is absolutely no scientific explanation how the bike behind could slow down the bike ahead, unless the rider in the back is Magneto ...
Not based on "butt feeling". It's accepted science based wisdom passed on by professionals, never in more than 35 years have I heard any rider dispute this. But of course "a guy on the internet" wants to argue otherwise. Believe what you will. It's not my job to change your mind. I find in situations like this, I could have Stephen Hawkins come and explain why a person is wrong, but it's a matter of pride and most guys on internet forum take stuff too personally and are not open to any differing opinion.

Leave us not drag this out. I don't want to get into a long debate. Nobody is going to change their mind. Positions are stated. People get bored with this kind of thing. Let it be. OK?

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