MotoGP Forum  

Go Back   MotoGP Forum > MotoGP Forum > MotoGP

MotoGP MotoGP Forum - MotoGP Class Motorcycle Racing Forum


Like Tree25Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
October 13th, 2020, 04:55 PM   #41
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2007
From: sydney australia

Posts: 11,024
Likes: 2329

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bern1 View Post
While it is tempting to extend the invincibility mantle to MM following this injury and aftermath, I would suggest that things move along quickly nowadays. The last two injuries were the result of mental errors in judgement. The last one resulted in a long layoff. A racer is invincible until he isn’t. It remains to be seen what condition he will be in when he returns.
There are times when I have proved to be an idiot. I am suggesting in this case the tides may be turning. They may be imperceptible for the time being. For example, I don’t think Rossi was the same racer after the leg break. Entropy doesn’t care how good you are.
We shall see I guess. I just don’t see it as long as his fracture fully heals, he was back riding a week or so later, unwisely in retrospect, but didn’t seem to be affected by any fears then.

I agree that Rossi was likely affected by that gruesome compound tibial fracture, although that ended up healing without complication and he won a race after his return later the same year, and Jorge was never the same in the rain after the second clavicle fracture. I myself see MM’s shoulder problems as more likely to be career limiting.
michaelm is offline  
 
October 13th, 2020, 06:50 PM   #42
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2015
From: On the edge in California

Posts: 316
Likes: 125

I Ride: 1972 BMW R75/5 and 1989 Honda Hawk NT650GT
Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelm View Post
We shall see I guess. I just donít see it as long as his fracture fully heals, he was back riding a week or so later, unwisely in retrospect, but didnít seem to be affected by any fears then.

I agree that Rossi was likely affected by that gruesome compound tibial fracture, although that ended up healing without complication and he won a race after his return later the same year, and Jorge was never the same in the rain after the second clavicle fracture. I myself see MMís shoulder problems as more likely to be career limiting.
I agree that the shoulder problems will be more of an issue. But the reason for the shoulder problems is the same reason as the other injuries: riding over the limit when there is no real reason. I understand he wants to intimidate the other riders. So did Doohan, Rainey, Roberts, etc. Crashing while you are trying to do that not only defeats the purpose, it actively hinders your ability to defeat them on the track as well of course.

When he arrived on the scene, it was suggested that he needed to rein in that behavior, race for points, etc. He managed to do it.....for a little while. Soon he was back to the old, original MM, where he has stayed. I think it is the chink in his armour, this inability to dial back a little. I canít see how it wonít catch up with him.

I enjoy watching him do this stuff as much as anyone. It comes back to the fact that the real greats in general do not crash that much. I will admit that he is a real great in spite of the crashing, for sure he is a special talent.

Entropy is a universal law.
greg328 likes this.
Bern1 is offline  
October 14th, 2020, 11:24 PM   #43
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2007
From: sydney australia

Posts: 11,024
Likes: 2329

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bern1 View Post
I agree that the shoulder problems will be more of an issue. But the reason for the shoulder problems is the same reason as the other injuries: riding over the limit when there is no real reason. I understand he wants to intimidate the other riders. So did Doohan, Rainey, Roberts, etc. Crashing while you are trying to do that not only defeats the purpose, it actively hinders your ability to defeat them on the track as well of course.

When he arrived on the scene, it was suggested that he needed to rein in that behavior, race for points, etc. He managed to do it.....for a little while. Soon he was back to the old, original MM, where he has stayed. I think it is the chink in his armour, this inability to dial back a little. I can’t see how it won’t catch up with him.

I enjoy watching him do this stuff as much as anyone. It comes back to the fact that the real greats in general do not crash that much. I will admit that he is a real great in spite of the crashing, for sure he is a special talent.

Entropy is a universal law.
Sure, eventually injuries will stop him, if he wants 9 premier class titles to pass Ago as well as Rossi he had best win the next 3 imo.

My point was that I don’t think the current injury is the one that will stop him, and nor do I think it will make him lose his edge. If it makes him ride a little more circumspectly and settle for position as he has done in the occasional past season when appropriate it would actually advantage him, but like you I wouldn’t count on this happening.
Bern1 likes this.
michaelm is offline  
October 16th, 2020, 01:42 AM   #44
Senior Member
 
birdman's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2011
From: Dont Know

Posts: 1,432
Likes: 825

MM already won the championship with a shoulder that dislocated after a hug. How I have no idea, will it be a factor long term? Not really all the riders are suffering from one thing or another the difference is whether they have the skill, talent, determination to overcome it.

Last edited by birdman; October 16th, 2020 at 01:44 AM.
birdman is offline  
Reply

  MotoGP Forum > MotoGP Forum > MotoGP

Tags
2020, france, grand, helmets, lemans, prix, shark



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2020 BMW M Grand Prix of Styria - Austria Keshav MotoGP 37 September 1st, 2020 05:30 PM
2020 myWorld Motorrad Grand Prix von ÷sterreich Keshav MotoGP 91 August 22nd, 2020 05:17 PM
2018 SHARK Helmets Grand Prix de France (Le Mans) Keshav MotoGP 58 May 28th, 2019 12:16 AM
2018 HJC Helmets Grand Prix de France JPSLotus MotoGP 325 May 24th, 2018 06:12 AM
HJC Helmets Grand Prix de France 2017 MdubSTYLIE MotoGP 105 May 24th, 2017 09:27 AM


Facebook Twitter Google+ RSS Feed



Copyright © 2005-2020 Powerslide. All rights reserved.
MotoGP Forum is a MotoGP enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with, nor does it represent MotoGP or Dorna Sports, S.L. of Madrid, Spain.