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October 13th, 2020, 12:57 AM   #31
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Wasn't a bad race at all! Nothing like a flag to flag to mix things up.

How the hell does the most experienced rider on the grid make what looked like a rookie mistake into the 2nd corner? Complacency? I can remember when it felt like nothing but good luck followed him around.

Speaking of Rookies, the best surprise was to see Alex Marquez show some real competitiveness. A very smart, patient and calculated ride giving us all a little glint of his potential in the premier class.

Felt sorry for Jack. A mechanical DNF when contending for a podium place would be devastating. At the very least he has that factory ride secured for 2021.

Looking forward to the next round this weekend!
Unfortunately for Jack this is the year in which bad luck is particularly problematic.

I see little prospect of the 2021 season being anything but a battle for 2nd place behind MM.
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Wasn't a bad race at all! Nothing like a flag to flag to mix things up.

How the hell does the most experienced rider on the grid make what looked like a rookie mistake into the 2nd corner? Complacency? I can remember when it felt like nothing but good luck followed him around.

Speaking of Rookies, the best surprise was to see Alex Marquez show some real competitiveness. A very smart, patient and calculated ride giving us all a little glint of his potential in the premier class.

Felt sorry for Jack. A mechanical DNF when contending for a podium place would be devastating. At the very least he has that factory ride secured for 2021.

Looking forward to the next round this weekend!
Rossi has been extremely lucky during his entire career. Eventually the luck runs out I guess. Small mistakes in the wet in coldest tyres make for big consequences.

Agree about Alex, heís slowly getting better and better. Heís getting a lot of shot because he is Marcís brother but he is doing better on the Honda in his rookie year than anyone else has. Previously the Honda has almost been a career killer for rookies but he is making steps forward.
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Unfortunately for Jack this is the year in which bad luck is particularly problematic.

I see little prospect of the 2021 season being anything but a battle for 2nd place behind MM.
Itís funny watching the idiots say there is no way he comes aback at close to 100% etc. thereís no reason to believe that and if Doohan can come back from what he did and be dominant thereís no reason to believe Marc canít. As far as Marc taking so long off, itís simple to me, the risk vs reward of coming back even now is not there. Not only can he focus solely on rehabbing is broken arm during this period but without the title being a possibility he can focus on rehabbing his shoulders etc and play the long game. Heís on a factory Honda for 4 more years and after what is mostly a year off he will be back healthier than he has been in a long time, Honda will be working hard to make their bike easier to ride without losing speed etc. It sounds crazy but in a decade we could look back at this year as being the year that prolonged his career by 5 years.
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It’s funny watching the idiots say there is no way he comes aback at close to 100% etc. there’s no reason to believe that and if Doohan can come back from what he did and be dominant there’s no reason to believe Marc can’t. As far as Marc taking so long off, it’s simple to me, the risk vs reward of coming back even now is not there. Not only can he focus solely on rehabbing is broken arm during this period but without the title being a possibility he can focus on rehabbing his shoulders etc and play the long game. He’s on a factory Honda for 4 more years and after what is mostly a year off he will be back healthier than he has been in a long time, Honda will be working hard to make their bike easier to ride without losing speed etc. It sounds crazy but in a decade we could look back at this year as being the year that prolonged his career by 5 years.
It was an unusual fracture from a direct blow rather than along the usual lines of stress/failure but unless there is vascular compromise I see no reason it won’t completely heal given time, something he did not give it initially. There is no reason for him to return early now, except for a few wins of which he will have a more than adequate sufficiency when he does retire, or to prove something to the opposition which is how he sustained his humeral fracture and a previous significant shoulder problem. Maybe he will be able to improve his shoulder, which at this point in time I see as the factor most likely to limit his career. With the one lap pace his brother (EDIT to be more accurate mainly Nakagami before the most recent race) has shown i don’t think we would have seen him having any 10th place finishes due to intrinsic lack of pace, and if this year’s Michelins are problematic he is the guy who can ride around such issues par excellence.

Nevertheless whoever wins this year is a worthy title winner, he is not out there as a result of his own riding error and lack of judgement.

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It’s funny watching the idiots say there is no way he comes aback at close to 100% etc. there’s no reason to believe that and if Doohan can come back from what he did and be dominant there’s no reason to believe Marc can’t. As far as Marc taking so long off, it’s simple to me, the risk vs reward of coming back even now is not there. Not only can he focus solely on rehabbing is broken arm during this period but without the title being a possibility he can focus on rehabbing his shoulders etc and play the long game. He’s on a factory Honda for 4 more years and after what is mostly a year off he will be back healthier than he has been in a long time, Honda will be working hard to make their bike easier to ride without losing speed etc. It sounds crazy but in a decade we could look back at this year as being the year that prolonged his career by 5 years.
It should be said, that MM's injury is to a part of the body that is both subject to more stress than the leg, and more specifically intrinsic to his ability to be competitive at the highest level.

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It was an unusual fracture from a direct blow rather than along the usual lines of stress/failure but unless there is vascular compromise I see no reason it won’t completely heal given time, something he did not give it initially. There is no reason for him to return early now, except for a few wins of which he will have a more than adequate sufficiency when he does retire, or to prove something to the opposition which is how he sustained his humeral fracture and a previous significant shoulder problem. Maybe he will be able to improve his shoulder, which at this point in time I see as the factor most likely to limit his career. With the one lap pace his brother (EDIT to be more accurate mainly Nakagami before the most recent race) has shown i don’t think we would have seen him having any 10th place finishes due to intrinsic lack of pace, and if this year’s Michelins are problematic he is the guy who can ride around such issues par excellence.

Nevertheless whoever wins this year is a worthy title winner, he is not out there as a result of his own riding error and lack of judgement.
I reckon if Marc is smart, he'll sit out the remainder of the season. There's really no percentage in it for him or Honda to come and win a few races. Smarter to keep healing and training and keep all the other teams and riders guessing and in suspense - tho they must know what's coming in 21.

Curious to see if Little Alex's ride to the front is just a one-off. Will he become the new Vermulen rain specialist, or will this actually give him a boost in confidence that translates to top five results in the remaining rounds?

I also wonder at speculation about HRC building a more rider friendly bike. My guess, is they'll do what they've done historically; build whatever makes the engineers happy and buy the best available talent to ride around the bike's quirks

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For Alex M, it was the tires. He was really happy with this lot and it showed. Imagine a world where riders could choose the tires that fit their bike.
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Indeed. I’ve never understood how in the top echelon of prototype racing competition in the world there is such an equalizer as a spec tire.

Tire manufacturers want a “safe space?”

I would think this stifles innovation and performance and prevents new development that would trickle down to us.

Imagine how much harder Michelin would work if they were getting their asses handed to them on the track by another manufacturer.
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Not only tire tech, but if Honda wanted to make a new 500 2 stroke for someone like say Aoyama, why not?

Motogp lost some shine without innovation.
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Itís funny watching the idiots say there is no way he comes aback at close to 100% etc. thereís no reason to believe that and if Doohan can come back from what he did and be dominant thereís no reason to believe Marc canít. As far as Marc taking so long off, itís simple to me, the risk vs reward of coming back even now is not there. Not only can he focus solely on rehabbing is broken arm during this period but without the title being a possibility he can focus on rehabbing his shoulders etc and play the long game. Heís on a factory Honda for 4 more years and after what is mostly a year off he will be back healthier than he has been in a long time, Honda will be working hard to make their bike easier to ride without losing speed etc. It sounds crazy but in a decade we could look back at this year as being the year that prolonged his career by 5 years.
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It was an unusual fracture from a direct blow rather than along the usual lines of stress/failure but unless there is vascular compromise I see no reason it wonít completely heal given time, something he did not give it initially. There is no reason for him to return early now, except for a few wins of which he will have a more than adequate sufficiency when he does retire, or to prove something to the opposition which is how he sustained his humeral fracture and a previous significant shoulder problem. Maybe he will be able to improve his shoulder, which at this point in time I see as the factor most likely to limit his career. With the one lap pace his brother (EDIT to be more accurate mainly Nakagami before the most recent race) has shown i donít think we would have seen him having any 10th place finishes due to intrinsic lack of pace, and if this yearís Michelins are problematic he is the guy who can ride around such issues par excellence.

Nevertheless whoever wins this year is a worthy title winner, he is not out there as a result of his own riding error and lack of judgement.


With all of that. I also believe HRC may also keeping him from riding for the rest of this year. They know his competitive nature and what will happened. At best they may have him show up for the last two rounds to start 2021 improvements.

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While it is tempting to extend the invincibility mantle to MM following this injury and aftermath, I would suggest that things move along quickly nowadays. The last two injuries were the result of mental errors in judgement. The last one resulted in a long layoff. A racer is invincible until he isn’t. It remains to be seen what condition he will be in when he returns.
There are times when I have proved to be an idiot. I am suggesting in this case the tides may be turning. They may be imperceptible for the time being. For example, I don’t think Rossi was the same racer after the leg break. Entropy doesn’t care how good you are.
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