![]() |
October 1st, 2020, 05:45 AM | #41 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,081 Likes: 2363 | Quote:
I don't know what motivates the Japanese firms but some pretense at least of research and development seems to be necessary to sell motor sport participation to their corporate bosses; even Honda with a racing tradition going back to their founder seemed to need to justify their gp bike racing effort to some extent as research into fuel economy. I agree as well that Michelin are probably happy to just be the premier class tyre supplier, and probably don't care overly that a minute percentage of diehard and/or educated bike racing fans consider their race tyres to be substandard. | |
![]() |
October 1st, 2020, 06:27 AM | #42 |
Senior Member Joined: Feb 2017 From: Acadiana Posts: 434 Likes: 155 |
I removed Michelin from my shopping list after they ruined an F1 race in the US. (First their crappy tire couldn't withstand the speed and then, after they were offered 2-3 ways to race safely they pulled out instead.)
|
![]() |
October 1st, 2020, 10:04 AM | #43 | |
Senior Member Joined: Apr 2015 From: Sometimes sweden, sometimes usa, sometimes greece. Posts: 312 Likes: 33 | Quote:
Mir would have been leading if a1 ring part 1 never got red flagged. I think that we will have a Suzuki champ for the first time in the MotoGP era. | |
![]() |
October 1st, 2020, 11:37 AM | #44 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2019 From: Wales, UK Posts: 243 Likes: 117 | Quote:
![]() | |
![]() |
October 1st, 2020, 11:39 AM | #45 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2019 From: Wales, UK Posts: 243 Likes: 117 | Quote:
It's the very same thing with F1 Michelin tyres. The tyres operate through a narrow window for both setup, race conditions and the rider. | |
![]() |
October 1st, 2020, 04:46 PM | #46 |
Senior Member Joined: Nov 2015 From: Stratosphere Posts: 776 Likes: 349 I Ride: Whatever I can steal | Yes. I like Science Fiction and all kinds of speculation, but I'm not much for conspiracies, as fun as they may be. Michelin has shown itself to be less than wonderful without benefit of SNSs. Look at how unprepared they were over the course of the first two seasons as sole supplier, as compared to Bridgestone.
|
![]() |
October 2nd, 2020, 02:40 AM | #47 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,081 Likes: 2363 | Quote:
Those of us who follow F1, or formerly did anyway, like misfit and I, do remember Bernie at one stage pretty much mandating tyres which wore out to 'improve the racing', and I also recall Uncle Carmelo, back then an ardent student of Bernie's methods, thinking this was a good idea. I have no way of knowing what the deal is currently, but iirc part of the control tyre thing was providing them free, and I can't imagine Michelin are flush with funds like most other enterprises in a Covid-19 world and hence may not be massively spending on gp bike racing tyre development. | |
![]() |
October 2nd, 2020, 10:06 AM | #48 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2019 From: Wales, UK Posts: 243 Likes: 117 | Quote:
| |
![]() |
October 2nd, 2020, 08:17 PM | #49 |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,081 Likes: 2363 | Sure, I still do as well, mainly for Daniel Ricciardo though. Although I would no doubt be happy were I a Hamilton fan, I consider Mercedes to have had too much technical advantage in recent years. I am sure their dominance is not entirely unrelated to Lewis, but for me it stretches the bounds of credulity that whoever is the second Mercedes driver fairly immediately becomes the second best driver in the field.
Last edited by michaelm; October 2nd, 2020 at 08:22 PM. |
![]() |
October 3rd, 2020, 03:09 AM | #50 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2019 From: Wales, UK Posts: 243 Likes: 117 | Quote:
Since my interest in MotoGP grew, I come to MotoGP for the racing and the personalities in the riders which are for me anyway, and of course relatively speaking, quite open. Press conferences are still interesting while in F1, I can't recall the last press conference I've watched and really don't miss them. F1 news is enough. Some may say that the tyres are the same for everyone as the way to defuse the problem of the tyres. It is true that the riders need to find a way to make the tyres work optimally with their machinery. However, it doesn't seem to be predictable and like a lottery, tyre performance seems to be playing in the hands of particular riding styles. Again, we could say the same of the bikes characteristics as well. But then, how can a rider who is on the backfoot adapt when whatever he is trying to adapt to changes from weekend to weekend the way things currently are. Yes, you'll have Marquez who is able to ride around problems way more than the average rider, but without him, we see what's happening from weekend to weekend. The unpredictability is entertaining, but it could well be impacting the reputation of riders who are suffering more, MV being an example. FQ's slump has saved his rep somewhat but not enough IMO. Right now, MV is simply labelled as inconsistent, but is he really with most of the grid being inconsistent as well? Last edited by misfit; October 3rd, 2020 at 03:12 AM. | |
![]() |
![]() |
|
Tags |
2020, catalunya, energy, gran, monster, premi |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
![]() | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
2020 Monster Energy Grand Prix České republiky | Keshav | MotoGP | 47 | August 14th, 2020 01:21 PM |
For Sale: 4 tickets for Entradas del Gran Premio Monster Energy de Catalunya de MotoGP 2018 | Juxhi | Classifieds | 0 | June 11th, 2018 01:42 PM |
Round 7: 2017 Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya | JPSLotus | MotoGP | 284 | June 22nd, 2017 11:26 PM |
Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya(spoilers mixed with stoner/rossi talk) | MdubSTYLIE | MotoGP | 468 | June 8th, 2016 08:06 AM |
Gran Premi Cinzano de Catalunya 2007. AWESOME. | puresideways | MotoGP | 6 | July 3rd, 2007 01:58 PM |