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September 21st, 2020, 01:11 AM | #41 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,081 Likes: 2363 | Quote:
Come to think of it, I would be happy if they made the rule retrospective, extending back to the Laguna Seca 2007 race. | |
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September 21st, 2020, 03:54 AM | #42 |
Junior Member Joined: Jul 2015 From: Portugal Posts: 17 Likes: 15 |
I'm finding it quite hard to understand track limits penalties. My read is that if you don't gain any advantage on touching the green you get a warning after 3 occurances, and a long lap penalty when you go off track 2 more times. However, when apparently you get an advantage you have to drop a position. It happened to Mir on Austria on the start, and actually at Misano 2 he went on the green just before overtaking Pol Espargaro. Also at Austria, i tend to agree with Mir and Suzuki that Pol should not be 3rd after going off track. Yes, riders may be pushed out track (was not the case) but if it was gravel there was no way he could come back to be 3rd, 4th or even 5th. Also, it always happened that way on nobody seemed to care that much. Jerez is famous, Rossi on gibernau or Marquez on Lorenzo totally sent the opposition off track to gain the position and there was no penalty for the "culprit" or compensation for the "harmed". So, that said what is the rule after all? Touching the green while existing last turn to overtake at next turn is to me the obvious example of what i thought was the rule. Anyway, happy for Mir and i do my mea-culpa because early on the season my guess was that he would not even get closer to what he is doing. At this moment i'm more inclined to love Mir's performances than Fabio. From the other season surprise, at KTM Oliveira needs desperately to improve qualifying and Binder has to stop crashing. With riders in front he's just almost always out of control pushing way too hard. |
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September 21st, 2020, 04:59 AM | #43 | |
Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: sydney australia Posts: 11,081 Likes: 2363 | Quote:
Last edited by michaelm; September 21st, 2020 at 05:04 AM. | |
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September 21st, 2020, 05:57 AM | #44 |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Nu Yawk City Posts: 10,197 Likes: 1760 I Ride: Triiumph Tiger XCx 800 + KTM SXF450sm + 511SMR | I have wondered about those for years. Just assumed if nobody was talking about it - it wasn't an issue.
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September 21st, 2020, 08:44 AM | #45 | |
Senior Member Joined: Mar 2016 From: Scotland Posts: 217 Likes: 134 | Quote:
Which might have seemed reasonable, until you have - Quaterraro just not taking the long lap. Shouldn't the penalty for not doing the punishment be much worse than the initial punishment? If you think you're gonna lose more than 3 seconds, then just don't do it...? That doesn't seem right; - giving weight to that is that some poor sod in Moto 2 (or 3? so sorry, I'm rubbish eh ![]() - Zarco a few races ago doing the long lap penalty almost as fast as the actual circuit and thereby not losing any position. | |
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September 21st, 2020, 09:15 AM | #46 | |
Senior Member Joined: Nov 2015 From: On the edge in California Posts: 353 Likes: 133 I Ride: 1972 BMW R75/5 and 1989 Honda Hawk NT650GT | Quote:
I like him, but Mir is just as likeable with better passing skills for the moment, as noted above. My measure of conduct is exemplified by Lawson. I never heard him disparaging opponents, making excuses or blaming his team. | |
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September 21st, 2020, 03:22 PM | #47 | |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Nu Yawk City Posts: 10,197 Likes: 1760 I Ride: Triiumph Tiger XCx 800 + KTM SXF450sm + 511SMR | Quote:
microphones in rider's faces every two seconds. Lawson, a great rider no doubt, was a kind of dour, not terribly social loner kind of guy, who if he had a gripe, would not air it, not because he was being politic, but because he was kind of macho and wouldn't give anyone the satisfaction of admitting they'd got under his skin. Last edited by Keshav; September 21st, 2020 at 05:53 PM. | |
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September 21st, 2020, 05:03 PM | #48 | |
Member Joined: Feb 2020 From: Bendigo Vic Posts: 98 Likes: 27 | Quote:
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September 21st, 2020, 05:28 PM | #49 | |
Senior Member Joined: Nov 2015 From: On the edge in California Posts: 353 Likes: 133 I Ride: 1972 BMW R75/5 and 1989 Honda Hawk NT650GT | Quote:
Loners or not, these guys are supposed to be warriors after all. If they can't handle social media types..... I really don't want to hear any whining about not getting a dashboard warning for exceeding track limits, or anything else for that matter. | |
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September 21st, 2020, 11:48 PM | #50 | |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2015 From: Fremantle, Australia Posts: 1,881 Likes: 806 | Quote:
I am of the opinion that, this demotion wont cost him the title, if he doesn't win the title it is because he was too inconsistent. | |
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