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August 16th, 2020, 11:34 PM   #31
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Rossi being a cunt again over the Zarco stuff.
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Rossi being a cunt again over the Zarco stuff.
He has all right to be upset and critical. He was almost killed and it involved his protege Morbidelli.

Was Morbidelli being a cunt with his comment on the incident??? Hmmm?
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He has all right to be upset and critical. He was almost killed and it involved his protege Morbidelli.

Was Morbidelli being a cunt with his comment on the incident??? Hmmm?
Rossi can say whatever he likes about this incident given his involvement and that of his protege Morbidelli, the latter probably the best informed person there is.
(EDIT Rossi also questioned the safety of the corner as Simon Crafar did in the race telecast, and as Casey Stoner apparently did in 2016 as was previously posted. I have come to your point of view, although not intentionally reckless I am sure, Zarco has just been involved in too many of these incidents and his judgement/racecraft does come into question, as does Pol's for that matter for making the same error 2 weeks in a row. I do think MM is not as reckless as he was in regard to the safety of other riders if not his own safety, and I do think Rossi's attack on him a couple of years ago was unjustified).
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He has all right to be upset and critical. He was almost killed and it involved his protege Morbidelli.

Was Morbidelli being a cunt with his comment on the incident??? Hmmm?
Would you say that Zarco made a dangerous move? Take the speed out of it... Is the situation any different to Argentina 2015 when the rider in front took a line that the rider behind wasn't expecting? I thought it was the riders behind responsibility? Or does that only count if Rossi is in front and he or one of his protoge is behind?
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Would you say that Zarco made a dangerous move? Take the speed out of it... Is the situation any different to Argentina 2015 when the rider in front took a line that the rider behind wasn't expecting? I thought it was the riders behind responsibility? Or does that only count if Rossi is in front and he or one of his protoge is behind?
MM I am led to believe considered the Argentina 2015 thing deliberate on Rossi’s part. It was imo poorly judged to contest that position when Rossi was clearly faster and had rapidly caught up several seconds, but as you say the reverse doesn’t seem to apply, cf the similar circumstance a couple of years ago when Rossi called MM a danger to humanity.

Bottom line Imo is that while that corner might be OK for F1 cars bikes are different.
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MM I am led to believe considered the Argentina 2015 thing deliberate on Rossi’s part. It was imo poorly judged to contest that position when Rossi was clearly faster and had rapidly caught up several seconds, but as you say the reverse doesn’t seem to apply, cf the similar circumstance a couple of years ago when Rossi called MM a danger to humanity.

Bottom line Imo is that while that corner might be OK for F1 cars bikes are different.
I remember Marquez had thought that and watching it live I had a similar feeling. But Marquez being there was one of the misjudgements he made in 2015. With the rate Rossi was catching him, if he hadn't slowed down Rossi maybe only would have just caught him. But Rossi is and always has been ruthless, he is not in a position to judge other or condemn others for dangerous moves.

The way I see it and the way it has always been judged is that unless there is a brake check (something else Rossi has been guilty of in the past) then it is the rider behind who is responsible. That doesn't mean I personally believe Franco is to blame, it's a racing incident but Zarco overtook him as he is allowed to do, ran wide and the Franco slammed into the back of his bike. If a penalty is to be given out like Franco has called for then he must be judged as the infringing party. They have tried to use Zarco's previous record against him but in this case and last week he appeared to do nothing wrong and has certainly not been any worse than others out on track.

IMO Rossi has once again used his considerable following to ostracise another rider whom refuses to bow down at his feet. It all started in Austin when Zarco dared to overtake him.
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I remember Marquez had thought that and watching it live I had a similar feeling. But Marquez being there was one of the misjudgements he made in 2015. With the rate Rossi was catching him, if he hadn't slowed down Rossi maybe only would have just caught him. But Rossi is and always has been ruthless, he is not in a position to judge other or condemn others for dangerous moves.

The way I see it and the way it has always been judged is that unless there is a brake check (something else Rossi has been guilty of in the past) then it is the rider behind who is responsible. That doesn't mean I personally believe Franco is to blame, it's a racing incident but Zarco overtook him as he is allowed to do, ran wide and the Franco slammed into the back of his bike. If a penalty is to be given out like Franco has called for then he must be judged as the infringing party. They have tried to use Zarco's previous record against him but in this case and last week he appeared to do nothing wrong and has certainly not been any worse than others out on track.

IMO Rossi has once again used his considerable following to ostracise another rider whom refuses to bow down at his feet. It all started in Austin when Zarco dared to overtake him.
My view and the view of Crafar, Stoner etc is that the speed differential is too great going into that corner.

Rossi probably did brake check MM at Argentina 2015, and Stoner when he put his bike down rather than plough into a Rossi which would have been in his interests at Laguna Seca 2008, to say nothing of Jerez 2010 or the famed Corkscrew incident itself where it was entirely in Stoner’s hands that he didn’t get T-boned at a fairly high speed after what was pretty much a lose after going into a corner too hot
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I’m just going to put it here. But engine wise how fucked are Yamaha? The engines are homologated for next season as well. Does this mean that if Yamaha has made a serious error in their engine design they still have to use the exact same design and components for next year?
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