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August 15th, 2020, 01:16 PM   #11
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Out with the old .... in with the new, I think. There are already promising riders on the grid who deserve a shot on a works machine. Pecco seems very interesting. Zarco is another that seems deserving of a shot.

I too hope JLo remains retired. He has already been through a LOT physically and was becoming more miserable and too careful for it.
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August 15th, 2020, 02:33 PM   #12
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I will miss Dovi's riding and his persona.
I found him refreshingly different and honest.
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Sad for Dovi. but if it his decision the more power to him.

Great news for Pecco and Zarco.

JLo, the guy that quit because he was afraid of riding the Honda, and the guy that took a year to learn to ride the Ducati.....that is big step backward for Ducati if they go in that direction.

Duke need to look at new talent to bring into their satelite teams, and bump up their already good satellite riders.....

They should make the HRC mistake of putting their eggs in one basket by signing a quitter like JLo.

Accrodinng to BBC Sport's N.Hodgson - JLO started the rumour he was going join Ducati....and Ducati have laughed, laughed, at the suggestion they woudl take him back....
So the guy who actually managed to finish a race after circulating near a podium position for much of it 2 days after internal fixation of a shattered clavicle is a quitter ?. As I recall he didn't quit in the 2015 title race either. Ducati quit on him, as they have on so many of their best, now it would seem including Dovi.

If you wish to identify a rider who quit on Ducati, I can give you a couple of clues; it was a rider with a penchant for the colour yellow and a liking for the number 46, who didn't learn how to ride the thing in two years let alone one.
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August 16th, 2020, 02:46 AM   #14
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I will miss Dovi's riding and his persona.
I found him refreshingly different and honest.
From a personality standpoint, Dovi and Crutchlow are my old guard. But then there's Fabio, Miller and others who take over those roles just fine.

I particularly enjoyed Zarco's presence in the last post-race press conference. The bad spell of events around his career have certainly had a positive effect on him.

OTOH, I'm having trouble picturing Iannone.
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Jorge To Ducati alongside Jack Miller.

Martin. Not Lorenzo.
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Just had a strange idea. I was thinking about the Doohan article I posted in one of the race threads. Doohan really seems to stress whenever asked about it, how important it is to reign the Honda engineers in. Marquez and his team do seem to have some problems with that. I don't know the ins and outs of everything and I understand that Marquez prefers to ride around problems if the bike will be faster. It got me thinking though, what a great advisor Doohan could be to Marquez, I'm not sure if Doohan would make a good riding coach or not so I am not saying that would be a good call. But I truly think Doohan could be worth his weight in gold for a rider like Marquez (and previously Stoner etc) at Honda. He has a huge amount of experience with Honda and the way they run their team, which doesn't seem to have changed a huge amount since his days, his insite and advice to Marquez could be invaluable on many subjects not just dealing with HRC.

I know Marquez is a 6x world champion and is a grown man but I just think he could gain something from having Doohan, who he seems to have a lot of respect for in his corner advising him about certain things. I know it wont ever happen but I do know if I was in Marquez's camp I would think there could be some real advantages to engaging Mick in an adviser role.
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Just had a strange idea. I was thinking about the Doohan article I posted in one of the race threads. Doohan really seems to stress whenever asked about it, how important it is to reign the Honda engineers in. Marquez and his team do seem to have some problems with that. I don't know the ins and outs of everything and I understand that Marquez prefers to ride around problems if the bike will be faster. It got me thinking though, what a great advisor Doohan could be to Marquez, I'm not sure if Doohan would make a good riding coach or not so I am not saying that would be a good call. But I truly think Doohan could be worth his weight in gold for a rider like Marquez (and previously Stoner etc) at Honda. He has a huge amount of experience with Honda and the way they run their team, which doesn't seem to have changed a huge amount since his days, his insite and advice to Marquez could be invaluable on many subjects not just dealing with HRC.

I know Marquez is a 6x world champion and is a grown man but I just think he could gain something from having Doohan, who he seems to have a lot of respect for in his corner advising him about certain things. I know it wont ever happen but I do know if I was in Marquez's camp I would think there could be some real advantages to engaging Mick in an adviser role.
The issue of having to reign in HRC‘s engineers is one I have mentioned repeatedly on this forum when replying to posts that posit The idea that Honda is consciously engineering the bike precisely to Marquez’ specs. Doohan is not the only one to point out this ongoing dynamic at HRC. Erv Kanemoto spoke very candidly about this back when he ran Spencer’s garage in the ‘80s. It’s not a uniquely Honda problem. More an engineer problem. We’ve seen this problem with Ducati as well. It’s part of the cultural DNA of both companies.
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Which rider was it that specifically asked Honda for the return of the big bang engine, as it was more "rideable" even if it delivered less power than whatever the engineers went to..

Fading memory, not sure even which era, which brand, etc. etc.

Thought it might have been Doohan and Honda.
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It was the other way round buddy, Mick was so dominant, he asked for the older “screamer” engine. This engine was brutal and difficult to control but ridden right the bike was faster. The “Big Bang engine” gave the tyre an easier time and made the bike easier to ride.
Mighty Mick asked for the screamer to demostrate he was the best and possibly to intimidate or dent the confidence of the other Honda riders. He wanted them beaten before they even lined up on the grid!!!
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Ok, that's right, thanks for refreshing my memory. It's starting to come back.

Damn, the 90's doesn't seem so long ago but the years add up!
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