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August 3rd, 2020, 12:05 PM   #1
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2nd Surgery for Marc, First Plate Was Damaged

Wow, back under the knife again for a new plate to be fitted.

That's at least 2 more races gone for him, he can't be as daft as last time and attempt to ride sooner can he?

Selfishly, I want him to take time to heal up properly as I'd quite like to see him racing for many years to come

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I'm not at all surprised to hear this. Rigid fixation doesn't mean that it can withstand the sort of forces required to hang on to handle bars while quickly decelerating from over 200MPH. The plate fixation construct is only as strong as the screws holding it in place as well as the quality of the bone, i.e., level of comminution etc.

I was shocked to hear he was riding and skeptical about his being passed fit to race!!

He needs to give the humerus time to heal.

You're not selfish wanting him to rest. I'm sure Marc wants the same thing, but he is being impatient and is treating his return as he treated the race in which he injured himself. This is the downside of his incredible determination. Gotta admire the guy.
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I'm not at all surprised to hear this. Rigid fixation doesn't mean that it can withstand the sort of forces required to hang on to handle bars while quickly decelerating from over 200MPH. The plate fixation construct is only as strong as the screws holding it in place as well as the quality of the bone, i.e., level of comminution etc.

I was shocked to hear he was riding and skeptical about his being passed fit to race!!

He needs to give the humerus time to heal.

You're not selfish wanting him to rest. I'm sure Marc wants the same thing, but he is being impatient and is treating his return as he treated the race in which he injured himself. This is the downside of his incredible determination. Gotta admire the guy.
I understand him getting back on the bike so soon, I've done exactly the same kind of thing myself.

Had my femoral head remodeled and was back in the gym squatting 6 days later.

I had a national competition coming up and taking 6 weeks of would have ment not being anywhere near competitive.

So I pushed too early and trained through the pain and all of the warning signs and managed to compete.

I finished second and put my full recovery back by about 9 months!

All for a niche strength sport with no money or even real prestige attached to it, just fuelled the inbuilt drive and pig headed stubbornness!

I can only imagine how many times more these guys feel the same impulse!
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I'm not at all surprised to hear this. Rigid fixation doesn't mean that it can withstand the sort of forces required to hang on to handle bars while quickly decelerating from over 200MPH. The plate fixation construct is only as strong as the screws holding it in place as well as the quality of the bone, i.e., level of comminution etc.

I was shocked to hear he was riding and skeptical about his being passed fit to race!!

He needs to give the humerus time to heal.

You're not selfish wanting him to rest. I'm sure Marc wants the same thing, but he is being impatient and is treating his return as he treated the race in which he injured himself. This is the downside of his incredible determination. Gotta admire the guy.
Yes, obvious in retrospect that when he had his sudden onset of pain on the Saturday was probably when the plate moved. It was a plate rather than a nail I saw before this current report. This is pretty much what happened with Jorge after the plating of his fractured clavicle, he got through the race and finished 4th or 5th then fell next race weekend, bent the plate necessitating re-operation then missed 2 or 3 races, and despite this only narrowly lost the title. MM might have only missed 2 races and now might miss 3 or 4.

You sound as though you know more about orthopaedics than I do, and I am interested in your opinion. They usually have top sports doctors including orthopaedists involved with all this, and presumably Jorge’s own surgeon who would be one of the best in Spain didn’t nix him racing. This is an unusual injury from a direct blow though, and I guess fairly unprecedented particularly in a 6 time and defending world champion. As we both said the humerus is rather important structurally.

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Wow, back under the knife again for a new plate to be fitted.

That's at least 2 more races gone for him, he can't be as daft as last time and attempt to ride sooner can he?

Selfishly, I want him to take time to heal up properly as I'd quite like to see him racing for many years to come

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He's lucky he hasn't done more serious damage to himself...at least not as far as the doctors can tell at the moment..

Hey...HRC how's that basket with all your eggs doing?
Good thing HRC has the other Marquez on their side... ,��

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I'm not at all surprised to hear this. Rigid fixation doesn't mean that it can withstand the sort of forces required to hang on to handle bars while quickly decelerating from over 200MPH. The plate fixation construct is only as strong as the screws holding it in place as well as the quality of the bone, i.e., level of comminution etc.

I was shocked to hear he was riding and skeptical about his being passed fit to race!!

He needs to give the humerus time to heal.

You're not selfish wanting him to rest. I'm sure Marc wants the same thing, but he is being impatient and is treating his return as he treated the race in which he injured himself. This is the downside of his incredible determination. Gotta admire the guy.
I have a similar story. I broke a vertibrae years ago. The finals were coming up so there was no way I was taking 6 months off. I did lessen the work load though I played the full GF in the midfield. Took some time off afterwards but wasn't that long until the next season so I just put up with the pain after a few months off and figured that any pain was because of just normal back issues. Now I'm 31 and my body is all kinds of fucked because of the need and drive to compete through injuries. I had to go for a back X-ray a few weeks ago and it turns out not only did my fracture never heal, I also broke the other side at some stage so I have fractures in my back that have never and will never heal. It's also likely the main cause of some of the other injuries I have picked up.

People hanging shit on him don't understand the kind of mindset that is required to be successful in sports (and probably other areas), hindsight is 2020. Doing the kind of things that Jorge and Marc did also work as often as they fail. I recently watched that Bulls Doco and MJ was talking about his injury in the 80s and how he started doing extra loads and training by himself etc.
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Yes, obvious in retrospect that when he had his sudden onset of pain on the Saturday was probably when the plate moved. It was a plate rather than a nail I saw before this current report. This is pretty much what happened with Jorge after the plating of his fractured clavicle, he got through the race and finished 4th or 5th then fell next race weekend, bent the plate necessitating re-operation then missed 2 or 3 races, and despite this only narrowly lost the title. MM might have only missed 2 races and now might miss 3 or 4.

You sound as though you know more about orthopaedics than I do, and I am interested in your opinion. They usually have top sports doctors including orthopaedists involved with all this, and presumably Jorge’s own surgeon who would be one of the best in Spain didn’t nix him racing. This is an unusual injury from a direct blow though, and I guess fairly unprecedented particularly in a 6 time and defending world champion. As we both said the humerus is rather important structurally.
Could you please elaborate. The “plate moved”. Jorge crashed bending the plate, that I understand, but Márquez didn’t so what would possibly cause the plate to move, braking force alone- titanium? That doesn’t make sense to me, unless it’s the weakness in the fracture itself. Does siting out Jerez give him extra time or only prolong the inevitable, the plate was going to bend at some point regardless.

I’m surprised overall with the question what was Márquez’s motivation for riding. A championship. 5 in a row, 7 premier class, 9 overall.
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He's lucky he hasn't done more serious damage to himself...at least not as far as the doctors can tell at the moment..

Hey...HRC how's that basket with all your eggs doing?
Good thing HRC has the other Marquez on their side... ,��
In the 4 stroke era lone HRC have had Rossi, Pedrosa, Stoner, Dovi, Marquez, even Lorenzo sign on the dotted line. Eggs in how many HRC baskets is that.
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Could you please elaborate. The “plate moved”. Jorge crashed bending the plate, that I understand, but Márquez didn’t so what would possibly cause the plate to move, braking force alone- titanium? That doesn’t make sense to me, unless it’s the weakness in the fracture itself. Does siting out Jerez give him extra time or only prolong the inevitable, the plate was going to bend at some point regardless.

I’m surprised overall with the question what was Márquez’s motivation for riding. A championship. 5 in a row, 7 premier class, 9 overall.
I am no orthopaedic surgeon, I was following on from what Misfit said who seemed more knowledgeable than I am. He was postulating that the screws didn’t keep the plate in place under the strain/stress of riding a MotoGP bike competitively, which seemed reasonable, there doesn’t seem to be much other reason for the plate to have moved, and even MM can’t ride a bike one armed, with using the arm involving powerful muscles attached to the humerus. From the reports the fracture was not completely separated but was highly angulated, so the plate had a fair bit to do. Dr Mir or whoever else was his surgeon presumably didn’t forbid him to try however, nor the MotoGP doctors, so what do I know anyway ?.
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