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July 31st, 2020, 06:29 PM   #11
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I'm a tad dyslexic. I had to take a minute to decipher that last sentence. Gave me a bit of a headache.
I am not at all, but from personal experience know dyslexic people are not infrequently smarter than people in general, certainly including me.

I guess you got the gist of it in the end, basically a re-statement of p4p1's post which was why it was brief. On tracks not suited to the Honda MM might be beaten by someone else on a really good day but usually finishes second or at worst third. Whether FQ can do that at this stage in his career and whether the Yamaha is now more versatile/not disadvantaged by such a number of tracks are the questions, for me and p4p1.

My point was that MV might not be much help to him whether or not there are team orders from Yamaha at some stage, he usually gets out on his own and gaps the field when he wins on a strong week-end, and I don't see him finishing between FQ and MM much, either by design or in the course of racing. When Dovi was winning races against MM on a Ducati which looked stronger than the then current Honda it was mostly by getting him on a corner quite late in races, sometimes the last corner, not getting ahead and using the straight line performance of the Ducati to stay there for multiple laps. I can't see MV keeping MM behind him with any sort of blocking strategy.

Early to judge the Ducati, not a Ducati track. To wear my Jorge fanboy hat maybe he did contribute to the Ducati being so competitive even against MM, with Yamaha and their young riders now apparently pretty much deciding his way was the right path for Yamaha as well. Bagnaia looked rather better than alright on one though, maybe he is just faster than Dovi and Jack Miller, unless the factory team just went the wrong way with the set-up.
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I am not at all, but from personal experience know dyslexic people are not infrequently smarter than people in general, certainly including me.

I guess you got the gist of it in the end, basically a re-statement of p4p1's post which was why it was brief. On tracks not suited to the Honda MM might be beaten by someone else on a really good day but usually finishes second or at worst third. Whether FQ can do that at this stage in his career and whether the Yamaha is now more versatile/not disadvantaged by such a number of tracks are the questions, for me and p4p1.

My point was that MV might not be much help to him whether or not there are team orders from Yamaha at some stage, he usually gets out on his own and gaps the field when he wins on a strong week-end, and I don't see him finishing between FQ and MM much, either by design or in the course of racing. When Dovi was winning races against MM on a Ducati which looked stronger than the then current Honda it was mostly by getting him on a corner quite late in races, sometimes the last corner, not getting ahead and using the straight line performance of the Ducati to stay there for multiple laps. I can't see MV keeping MM behind him with any sort of blocking strategy.

Early to judge the Ducati, not a Ducati track. To wear my Jorge fanboy hat maybe he did contribute to the Ducati being so competitive even against MM, with Yamaha and their young riders now apparently pretty much deciding his way was the right path for Yamaha as well. Bagnaia looked rather better than alright on one though, maybe he is just faster than Dovi and Jack Miller, unless the factory team just went the wrong way with the set-up.
Yes. Great post. Much as I like to champion Dovi, I think his glory days, such as they were, may be behind him. Very disappointed over Bag’s mechanical DNF. Definitely don’t want to see Fabio run away with the championship the way Marc has in the past. Waiting w baited breath to see how the Ducatis fare at other tracks.

Re: those Hail Mary passes that Dovi managed to pull off to beat Marquez are for me some of the most memorable moments of the last 20 years. Especially in that they were done on the Ducati that “doesn’t turn” and MOST especially the ones in the rain. Totally engraved in my memory (what’s left of it).
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Yes. Great post. Much as I like to champion Dovi, I think his glory days, such as they were, may be behind him. Very disappointed over Bag’s mechanical DNF. Definitely don’t want to see Fabio run away with the championship the way Marc has in the past. Waiting w baited breath to see how the Ducatis fare at other tracks.

Re: those Hail Mary passes that Dovi managed to pull off to beat Marquez are for me some of the most memorable moments of the last 20 years. Especially in that they were done on the Ducati that “doesn’t turn” and MOST especially the ones in the rain. Totally engraved in my memory (what’s left of it).
Absolutely. What those passes were in particular imo were consummate examples of race craft, keeping his tyres in good enough shape for the end of the race, then using the strengths of his bike pouncing at probably the only possible moment for him to both pass MM and stay in front of him. Even Stoner didn't really do that on the Ducati, he just made the thing go a second a lap or more faster than it should have been able to go, with his method of getting the bike through corners although remarkable not really conducive to close quarters battles in corners, hence the criticism of him not liking to battle other riders.

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The big weekend. Can FQ pull it to 3 wins??!!
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The Ducatis went well there last year, unlike the Yamahas. FQ finished 7th! MV 10th!

It may well be damage limitation rather than a victory.
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