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July 28th, 2020, 03:29 AM   #31
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Yamaha's are like a fine wine. They are shit when first produced, it takes at least a year before its something you might desire. Smart move from Rossbag to move there next year. Marc will win this championship by more than 50 points. Any race now Fabio's bike will start getting the ben spies treatment. What in the absolute fuck is bradley smith doing on track still? Calvin retired team forced him back on track for points and almost caught his ginger ass. Isn't there still a minimum pace that must be met?

Shittiest race I have ever witnessed.
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Interesting. I had a years long debate on another forum against a duo of Rossi fans who claimed that Jorge had led Yamaha up the wrong path developmentally. Perhaps not given current technology and rules, and tyres in particular. Not necessarily a criticism of Valentino, hardly surprising that a guy who started in gp bike racing nearly 25 years ago, never saw a spec bike in the other classes and was weaned on 500 2- strokes has different preferences than FQ. At this stage in proceedings they have to go with the young guys, particularly given FQ looks quite like being the next great one.
He goes on to say that this weekend was the first time in forever that he felt like the bike was his/suited his style.

From my observations over the last 3 years, I would concur.
I think I can only count a couple of occasions in that time period where he looked like Rossi on track i.e. riding on a super planted front end where he could pick various lines into a corner and not look like he was ill at ease with the bike.

I had just assumed that the tyres wouldn't work that way with the Yamaha, but it would appear that Mr Yamaha was happy that Mavrick and Fabio were quick with development direction they were following (essentially a continuation of Jorge's preferences) and that he needed to ride more like them.

That I would have expected from Ducati a few years back, but not so much of Yamaha.

It will be interesting to see how his fortunes fair over the coming period and if he starts to look more at home on the bike week in week out.

He's going to need to feel more than just comfortable to deal with Fabio though!

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He goes on to say that this weekend was the first time in forever that he felt like the bike was his/suited his style.

From my observations over the last 3 years, I would concur.
I think I can only count a couple of occasions in that time period where he looked like Rossi on track i.e. riding on a super planted front end where he could pick various lines into a corner and not look like he was ill at ease with the bike.

I had just assumed that the tyres wouldn't work that way with the Yamaha, but it would appear that Mr Yamaha was happy that Mavrick and Fabio were quick with development direction they were following (essentially a continuation of Jorge's preferences) and that he needed to ride more like them.


That I would have expected from Ducati a few years back, but not so much of Yamaha.

It will be interesting to see how his fortunes fair over the coming period and if he starts to look more at home on the bike week in week out.

He's going to need to feel more than just comfortable to deal with Fabio though!

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A bit of Too little too late for MV. The French kid has the goods. He knows how to get off the line, go fast from the first lap and he doesn't get rattled when he has to pass. If Vinales hasn't attained those skills by now, he's unlikely to do so any time soon.
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He goes on to say that this weekend was the first time in forever that he felt like the bike was his/suited his style.

From my observations over the last 3 years, I would concur.
I think I can only count a couple of occasions in that time period where he looked like Rossi on track i.e. riding on a super planted front end where he could pick various lines into a corner and not look like he was ill at ease with the bike.

I had just assumed that the tyres wouldn't work that way with the Yamaha, but it would appear that Mr Yamaha was happy that Mavrick and Fabio were quick with development direction they were following (essentially a continuation of Jorge's preferences) and that he needed to ride more like them.

That I would have expected from Ducati a few years back, but not so much of Yamaha.

It will be interesting to see how his fortunes fair over the coming period and if he starts to look more at home on the bike week in week out.

He's going to need to feel more than just comfortable to deal with Fabio though!

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My argument was always that Jorge, of whom I am admittedly a fan, was following the development direction that gave him a chance with his riding style against the other bikes which probably had power advantages. As you say FQ and MV seem to agree with his path, as did Zarco when he was with Tech 3.

Perhaps they were straddling 2 horses, and now can accommodate 2 different development directions along with an improvement in the power of the bike, the latter perhaps at some cost to reliability on evidence thus far. My observations btw over the years in regard to Yamaha have been more that they usually came up with a bike and particularly a chassis for a given year which although tweaked didn’t change substantially, with Valentino obviously in control of the development direction for many years as was appropriate at the time.

I can definitely see him being more competitive with the other bikes this year, but perhaps not so much with the other Yamahas, he was still the slowest Yamaha in the recent race, creditable although his endurance and racecraft may have been, and Morbidelli went out with a mechanical issue rather than because of a riding error or poor racecraft. FQ on current form looks like someone who would likely be competitive with a fully fit MM or a 25 year old Rossi and is tough competition indeed for a 41 year old Rossi as you say. I guess Valentino is winning anyway given how the products of his riding academy are looking
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Is rossi italian for roadblock? Lol
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Yamaha's are like a fine wine. They are shit when first produced, it takes at least a year before its something you might desire. Smart move from Rossbag to move there next year. Marc will win this championship by more than 50 points. Any race now Fabio's bike will start getting the ben spies treatment. What in the absolute fuck is bradley smith doing on track still? Calvin retired team forced him back on track for points and almost caught his ginger ass. Isn't there still a minimum pace that must be met?

Shittiest race I have ever witnessed.
You mean like the first year that Rossi rode for them and won the championship?
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You mean like the first year that Rossi rode for them and won the championship?
Not Rossi nor Yamahas first year. Stay current here dude. Lets take a look at what it took for his old ass to get on the box. It took Marc being out. Rins and Crutchlow riding with a broken pedrosa bone. Both 46 academy riders engines map 88'ing. Ducati's laying an egg. Miller going Miller. One more lap and the token asian would have had him. Thats a solid 11th in my book. Possibly 12th.
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No .... I stand by what I said at the time.
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Rossi's "racecraft" consisted entirely of blocking faster riders from passing. Toward the 3/4 mark in the race two riders were doing laps that were as fast as Fabs, and all Rossi could do was wave his ass back and forth to block the faster riders.
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