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February 8th, 2020, 07:26 AM   #41
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It looks like Rossi and Lorenzo's relationship had improved somewhat. Jorge has been coaching him today...

I kind of got the feeling things were better between them by some of their interactions last season

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It looks like Rossi and Lorenzo's relationship had improved somewhat. Jorge has been coaching him today...

I kind of got the feeling things were better between then by some of their interactions last season
Their relationship only sours when they're on the same team competing against each other. They got along great while Rossi was at Ducati, they were always talking and joking during that period. Last year after Lorenzo's torpedo in Spain, Rossi was quick to just call it racing (and pointed out that it's a dangerous corner that's not good for bikes) while Maverick and Dovi were calling for Lorenzo to be penalized.

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Lorenzo in his prime on the M1... many of his victories were by numerous seconds as well. I recall one year at LeMans when Lorenzo made the entire field look like they were on Moto2 bikes. Again, we don't KNOW Marquez would be able to do the same thing on the M1. But Lorenzo gets criticism for not being able to do what Marc does on the RCV (a bike that's been developed for him specifically)!

Until Marc actually does switches bikes, I don't know what he can do on a machine that has a different design philosophy. But I'm not going to assume he'll automatically adapt and keep winning. Back when Rossi jumped from Honda to Yamaha, there was no assumption that Rossi would win right away. Even Rossi himself was surprised and that's why he was emotional after his first win on the M1 at Welkom. Marc rides the RCV is far more of a "wild" fashion than Rossi did, so I have to question his ability to ride bike that doesn't suit that style.

As for Rossi's records, I don't care about that type of stuff.
Lorenzo - for all his accomplishments is clearly the lesser rider. Marquez has done far more in a shorter span.

You imply that the Honda was developed around Marquez’s style, but it’s exactly the opposite. Seasoned observers have noted how Marquez. - in Stoner fashion - owes his success to his ability to adaptively ride around handling issues - unlike Rossi and Lorenzo both known for requiring bikes and tires tailored to their specifications.
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It looks like Rossi and Lorenzo's relationship had improved somewhat. Jorge has been coaching him today...

I kind of got the feeling things were better between them by some of their interactions last season
United by their disdain for the young usurper?
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I'm tired of looking at Dovi's face of discouragement and dismay. Always looking for an excuse to make sure of yourself. And I'm sure Gigi is too. As expected Dovi is done, the new Michelin tires have just put the last nail on his coffin chance for the title. I say more, I say Dovi won't win a single race this season.

I think Ducati absolutely needs to promote Jack and observe Pecco. Time to Dovi and Petrux to get out. Dovi's best match was 2017, from that on was down hill.

If Ducati signs Dovi it will be another big mistake because they won't have a single chance for the title anymore with #4, not even for the vice. Let alone Petrux, lol. And so, if that is the case, they need to restart with fresh blood. But as the italians like to commit absurd mistakes that nobody understands, maybe Dovi has a chance to get the job for two more years and fill his pockets even more.
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Oh I beg to differ. Lorenzo's smooth in-line style has been proven to be the quickest way to ride the current M1. Marquez has never had a smooth in-line style of riding. Yamaha would have to make drastic changes to the bike to suit Marc's riding style, or Marc would have to try to ride like Lorenzo... that's just as big of a challenge as Lorenzo attempting to ride the Honda like Marc does.
I would wager that MM is riding the Honda as he needs to in order to unlock its performance. He has always asked for the same changes the other riders ask for, frequently commenting on the difficulty of the Honda, especially last years. He previously sited the 2014 Honda as the one that most allowed him to ride the way he wanted, that championship year being his most enjoyable to ride to.
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I'm tired of looking at Dovi's face of discouragement and dismay. Always looking for an excuse to make sure of yourself. And I'm sure Gigi is too. As expected Dovi is done, the new Michelin tires have just put the last nail on his coffin chance for the title. I say more, I say Dovi won't win a single race this season.

I think Ducati absolutely needs to promote Jack and observe Pecco. Time to Dovi and Petrux to get out. Dovi's best match was 2017, from that on was down hill.

If Ducati signs Dovi it will be another big mistake because they won't have a single chance for the title anymore with #4, not even for the vice. Let alone Petrux, lol. And so, if that is the case, they need to restart with fresh blood. But as the italians like to commit absurd mistakes that nobody understands, maybe Dovi has a chance to get the job for two more years and fill his pockets even more.
Name one currently active rider who has accumulated more points on a Ducati.
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Name one currently active rider who has accumulated more points on a Ducati.
What's the point of accumulating points and not being champion? Maybe Dovi is using his points to exchange on travel bonus.
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What's the point of accumulating points and not being champion? Maybe Dovi is using his points to exchange on travel bonus.
Winning the championship may be the ultimate goal. But it’s not the only one. Only one team and rider combination gets to win the championship. When you look at Marquez’s record thus far, factor in his ability to ride head and shoulders above all the other riders, coming in second or third in the championship is hardly a thing to be ashamed of. Nobody who has graduated the playground sandbox or competed at this level in a sport would shame or demean a rider for merely being a second or third place competitor in the world’s most demanding sport.
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Nobody who has graduated the playground sandbox or competed at this level in a sport would shame or demean a rider for merely being a second or third place competitor in the world’s most demanding sport.
Your opinion doesn't matter, you are not the Ducati boss.

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https://www.gpone.com/en/2020/01/24/...-improved.html

"For us, coming second means losing because it means that someone was better than us."

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