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February 7th, 2020, 06:26 PM   #31
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Oh I beg to differ. Lorenzo's smooth in-line style has been proven to be the quickest way to ride the current M1. Marquez has never had a smooth in-line style of riding. Yamaha would have to make drastic changes to the bike to suit Marc's riding style, or Marc would have to try to ride like Lorenzo... that's just as big of a challenge as Lorenzo attempting to ride the Honda like Marc does.
MM has eventually been a title winner on every bike he has ever ridden. This was also true of Rossi before his Ducati adventure of course, but until proven otherwise I think MM deserves the assumption he could ride anything, as Rossi did back then. I don't think his moto 2 bike had any characteristics uniquely suited to him, and he could get to the front from the back of the grid on that bike.
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MM has eventually been a title winner on every bike he has ever ridden. This was also true of Rossi before his Ducati adventure of course, but until proven otherwise I think MM deserves the assumption he could ride anything, as Rossi did back then. I don't think his moto 2 bike had any characteristics uniquely suited to him, and he could get to the front from the back of the grid on that bike.
That's too big of an assumption. It just doesn't work that way, especially not at the highest level in sports, the margins for victory are too small. When you watch the way Lorenzo rode the M1... smooth, very little sliding, very high corner speed, extremely consistent... to think that Marc could just hop on the M1 and do the exact same thing is ridiculous. Marc has never ridden that way, even he has said his riding style isn't like that. The M1 and RCV are very different machines and even if Marc adapted "well" to the M1, if he's not exceptional on it he'll be losing tenths every lap and at this level that could mean not even making the podium. Marc is a very talented rider, but nothing he has done since entering the GP class in 2013 has shown he would be able to ride the M1 like Lorenzo. The M1 would not make it around a corner using Marc's style on the RCV... that's a recipe for constant trips to the gravel trap.

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That's too big of an assumption. It just doesn't work that way, especially not at the highest level in sports, the margins for victory are too small. When you watch the way Lorenzo rode the M1... smooth, very little sliding, very high corner speed, extremely consistent... to think that Marc could just hop on the M1 and do the exact same thing is ridiculous. Marc has never ridden that way, even he has said his riding style isn't like that. The M1 and RCV are very different machines and even if Marc adapted "well" to the M1, if he's not exceptional on it he'll be losing tenths every lap and at this level that could mean not even making the podium. Marc is a very talented rider, but nothing he has done since entering the GP class in 2013 has shown he would be able to ride the M1 like Lorenzo. The M1 would not make it around a corner using Marc's style on the RCV... that's a recipe for constant trips to the gravel trap.
So how did he win a 125 title and a moto 2 title then ?.

I am not entirely sure he would be able to ride a Yamaha 1000 bike actually, but no one can be sure he couldn’t either, hence benefit of the doubt as per my previous post.

If people are reduced to detracting from him on the basis of what he couldn’t do hypothetically it says a lot, imo and btw.
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Classic Cal quote about not paying too much attention to the top speeds:

"The speed trap is two metres into the breaking zone and the reason that Jack is 8kph faster than anyone else is that he has the biggest balls!"

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What is kph? Kilos per hour? Kilo stands for multiplying by 1000, so what exactly happens a thousand times per hour? There is only one literate way to denote kilometers per hour - it is "km/h".
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That's too big of an assumption. It just doesn't work that way, especially not at the highest level in sports, the margins for victory are too small. When you watch the way Lorenzo rode the M1... smooth, very little sliding, very high corner speed, extremely consistent... to think that Marc could just hop on the M1 and do the exact same thing is ridiculous. Marc has never ridden that way, even he has said his riding style isn't like that. The M1 and RCV are very different machines and even if Marc adapted "well" to the M1, if he's not exceptional on it he'll be losing tenths every lap and at this level that could mean not even making the podium. Marc is a very talented rider, but nothing he has done since entering the GP class in 2013 has shown he would be able to ride the M1 like Lorenzo. The M1 would not make it around a corner using Marc's style on the RCV... that's a recipe for constant trips to the gravel trap.
There’s a big difference between opinion (which drives most discussions here) and empirical evidence pointing to a logical conclusion. Marquez’s “margins of victory” have historically been anything but small. Whether we’re talking about his aforementioned rides from the back of dozens of riders on near equal bikes or his wrapping up the championship in his rookie year in record time it’s crystal clear Marquez is not bound by the same limitations as his competitors. One can see how his capacity to surpass Rossi’s records might be a hard pill to swallow for the Valeban.
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What is kph? Kilos per hour? Kilo stands for multiplying by 1000, so what exactly happens a thousand times per hour? There is only one literate way to denote kilometers per hour - it is "km/h".
I’ve seen it posted as Kph all over Asia. Besides mate, this ain’t a book club.
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There’s a big difference between opinion (which drives most discussions here) and empirical evidence pointing to a logical conclusion. Marquez’s “margins of victory” have historically been anything but small. Whether we’re talking about his aforementioned rides from the back of dozens of riders on near equal bikes or his wrapping up the championship in his rookie year in record time it’s crystal clear Marquez is not bound by the same limitations as his competitors. One can see how his capacity to surpass Rossi’s records might be a hard pill to swallow for the Valeban.
Lorenzo in his prime on the M1... many of his victories were by numerous seconds as well. I recall one year at LeMans when Lorenzo made the entire field look like they were on Moto2 bikes. Again, we don't KNOW Marquez would be able to do the same thing on the M1. But Lorenzo gets criticism for not being able to do what Marc does on the RCV (a bike that's been developed for him specifically)!

Until Marc actually does switches bikes, I don't know what he can do on a machine that has a different design philosophy. But I'm not going to assume he'll automatically adapt and keep winning. Back when Rossi jumped from Honda to Yamaha, there was no assumption that Rossi would win right away. Even Rossi himself was surprised and that's why he was emotional after his first win on the M1 at Welkom. Marc rides the RCV is far more of a "wild" fashion than Rossi did, so I have to question his ability to ride bike that doesn't suit that style.

As for Rossi's records, I don't care about that type of stuff.
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What is kph? Kilos per hour? Kilo stands for multiplying by 1000, so what exactly happens a thousand times per hour? There is only one literate way to denote kilometers per hour - it is "km/h".
It was a quote copied from a tweet, everyone knows what it means.

Please try not to be a complete cunt for no reason
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