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November 3rd, 2019, 05:56 PM   #61
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Malaysia seems to be the only parts of the east that gives him such a large fan base. In Thailand the Marquez grandstand was bigger with more 93 fans. Lets hope Indonesia does the same as Thailand. A minimum of 4, of the current top riders would have to not go racing next year for rossi have any chance at the podium much less another title. Dorna is the puppet master and yamaha is the puppet.
His fan base is huge everywhere. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that. He's won 9 championships and enjoyed a longevity that is impressive. Other than Rossi's ability to put asses in seats, his relevance to MotoGp is kind of moot. That he's able to finish in the top ten at age 40 is interesting from a statistical point, but to deserve a ride on a top factory bike, you need to do more. Rossi (for the most part) schlepping around in 12th place struggling to compete with rookies on downmarket bikes from KTM is like watching a 60 year old Barbara Streisand, doing a love scene where she's pretending to be 21 because Hollywood schmucks know that zillions of gray-haired widows will pack the theaters to for the sake of nostalgia.

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The size of the stands for respective riders, while relevant to the sales of tickets for seats, has no bearing on the volume of machines sold.

The fact is that until a south east Asian prospect turns up and starts winning, Rossi will leave a void from a marketing perspective in that region. And Yamaha with its dwindling sales figures globally has leaned heavily on the region as have the other manufacturers.

Racing is primarily a marketing exercise. All other considerations are secondary.
I go with the theory that Yamaha are keeping Rossi around because Dorna subsidized them in order to support their bottom line, which comes from all the asses in seats, and advertising revenues the value of which is founded on how many asses there are in seats (and of course how many viewers on TV etc.) and all the money they make from merchandise vendors at shows along with dozens and dozens of other business to whom they license their name and merchandise. Just a guess, but I bet very few of the hundred thousand people in the stands in Malaysia pay a penny to stream the races. I lived in India for a while and there the races were broadcast free with no commercials. Probably true for most of Asia.
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I go with the theory that Yamaha are keeping Rossi around because Dorna subsidized them in order to support their bottom line, which comes from all the asses in seats, and advertising revenues the value of which is founded on how many asses there are in seats (and of course how many viewers on TV etc.) and all the money they make from merchandise vendors at shows along with dozens and dozens of other business to whom they license their name and merchandise. Just a guess, but I bet very few of the hundred thousand people in the stands in Malaysia pay a penny to stream the races. I lived in India for a while and there the races were broadcast free with no commercials. Probably true for most of Asia.
I am sure Dorna/uncle Carmelo had a role both when Valentino first joined Yamaha and when he returned there, but even in the second case he was the best rider available imo, unless someone wishes to posit that Ben Spies was deliberately sabotaged which I think is highly unlikely.

I suspect Valentino subsidises Yamaha more than Dorna does however, they had no naming rights sponsor when the factory riders were Lorenzo and Spies, while sponsorship appears plentiful now, including for the satellite team which can presumably easily afford the full factory bikes both riders reportedly now have with Petronas money, which Tech Trois reputedly couldn’t do. Yamaha are a much smaller company than Honda, who seem to regard racing as part of their DNA going back to their founder Soichiro Honda himself, and appear prepared to both expend significant funds of their own and brook the disapproval consequent on a fallout with the likes of Valentino Rossi.

I have thought like many that the plan was for Rossi to be a Yamaha icon in retirement and to perhaps carry on to be the factory team manager a la Agostini and Roberts, but in view of the critics on this thread will restrict myself to saying I can see signs that this could come unstuck.

I like you don’t see the point of finishing 4th at age 40 being now a good day for such a great rider, let alone him battling for a finish at the lower end of the top 10 on more than a few weekends this year.

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No idea what you're on about. When did I ever say that Dorna didn't pressure Yamaha etc. Are you sure you didn't reply to the wrong post dude???
Sorry mate post wasn’t aimed at you. By the time I replied you had already posted.
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And you are thai shemales' fucker

How would you know about the thai counting of fans ? You were there, to fuck little boys at worst case scenario, shemales medium case scenario, cheap hookers best case scenario.
Hahaha... how to make yourself sound infinitely stupider than the poster you were quoting AND prove you have never left your sofa.

I have lived in Thailand for over 13 yrs, been to MotoGPs all over Asia (with my western wife, so please save your uniformed sex-tourist comments) and evo9 is absolutely correct.

Go ask mom to change your diaper, and try to get out of her basement now and then.
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Rossi showed again that he still has it when his bike works. Chocking the yama is so slow on the straights. Lorenzo.......... Zarco should get that ride.

How did he show he still has it? He was smashed by his teammate who won the race and he only finished fourth. Not a stellar performance I'm afraid. Even worse considering there is nothing wrong at all with that beautiful factory Yamaha.
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I agree with Vudu, Rossi is the most relevant rider in the world, which is why I'm all up for him to remain in the championship until he's 60, embarrassing himself any possible way
Oh you mean like Jorge Lorenzo is doing to himself?
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Hahaha... how to make yourself sound infinitely stupider than the poster you were quoting AND prove you have never left your sofa.

I have lived in Thailand for over 13 yrs, been to MotoGPs all over Asia (with my western wife, so please save your uniformed sex-tourist comments) and evo9 is absolutely correct.

Go ask mom to change your diaper, and try to get out of her basement now and then.
I can vouch for that. Met Mick and the wife when me and mine were in Thailand. Mick's wife is hot. Asian street meat not required.

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Oh you mean like Jorge Lorenzo is doing to himself?
Same deal for him. Unless his poor form is fairly definitely down to a remediable health issue he shouldn’t be taking up an HRC factory seat either.
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Same deal for him. Unless his poor form is fairly definitely down to a remediable health issue he shouldn’t be taking up an HRC factory seat either.
Perks of having won 3 championships in the premier class.
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