2019 Motegi - Motul Grand Prix of Japan - Page 2

Repsol 93 · October 19th, 2019, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AJV80

Not taking anything away from any Moto2 world champions, but having the Moto2 world championship does not guarantee results when transitioning to MotoGP.

Wouldn't having a championship open the doors to a better ride? That should mean faster progress than just experience turning laps on a lower tier machine.

SlartyBartFast · October 20th, 2019, 12:04 AM

C'mon Valentino, it's time vacate your seat for someone who deserves an opportunity. You will still be part of the circus management, and you will get even more face time on telle, I promise.

p4p1 · October 20th, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AJV80

Not taking anything away from any Moto2 world champions, but having the Moto2 world championship does not guarantee results when transitioning to MotoGP.

Personally, If my goal was to race in MotoGP I'd much rather be the rider with more MotoGP experience mixing it with the big boys, on a superior MotoGP bike and have a premier class win under my belt, than be the same age and be a MotoGP rookie with a Moto2 World Championship to my name.

It’s been a long time since the best riders compete in the smaller classes. It’s a world championship that doesn’t really make you the best in the world at anything.

I hope Alex does well if he moves up but he had to wait until a good amount of guys left the class in his fourth year to be in a position to win the championship. Not great signs IMO.

p4p1 · October 20th, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Repsol 93

Wouldn't having a championship open the doors to a better ride? That should mean faster progress than just experience turning laps on a lower tier machine.

Not always. Where did 2x champion Zarco end up? Vinales got his ride without a moto2 championship and then got the Yamaha ride based on his results on another manufacturer in MotoGP. Pol? Hasn’t had a ride as good as the one Miller is currently on. Ditto Tito. Morbidelli kind of. He’s on a good ride now but he got that coming off a Honda GP bike rather than his moto2 title.

michaelm · October 20th, 2019, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SlartyBartFast

C'mon Valentino, it's time vacate your seat for someone who deserves an opportunity. You will still be part of the circus management, and you will get even more face time on telle, I promise.

I thought the same watching the race, with no particular rancour against him currently, what is the point of him racing for a position in the lower reaches of the top 10 ?. Maybe MM is so good he would be destroying prime Rossi and prime Doohan, but 40 year old Rossi and an aging injury plagued Jorge on the wrong bike are not providing any competition however good they may once have been, and I don’t think lightning is going to strike twice for Dovi again in terms of actually contending although he probably has more high finishes in the points other than first in him. Petrucci and Miller don’t look very likely either. Maybe Vinales’ early races for Yamaha were something of a fluke as well, it is hard to think he is being less than fully backed by Yamaha now after I tended to blame favouritism towards Rossi for his fade out in that first year. FQ and Rins at least look to have good pace, those guys and maybe Morbidelli seem to be the future in the current field.

Uncle Carmelo may still be keen though, and Yamaha struggled for sponsorship while Valentino was at Ducati, but him transitioning to be the Yamaha team principal as you imply might address most of that. I guess being flogged by MM as a team manager may lack appeal for him as well.

AJV80 · October 20th, 2019, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by michaelm

I thought the same watching the race, with no particular rancour against him currently, what is the point of him racing for a position in the lower reaches of the top 10 ?. Maybe MM is so good he would be destroying prime Rossi and prime Doohan, but 40 year old Rossi and an aging injury plagued Jorge on the wrong bike are not providing any competition however good they may once have been, and I don’t think lightning is going to strike twice for Dovi again in terms of actually contending although he probably has more high finishes in the points other than first in him. Petrucci and Miller don’t look very likely either. Maybe Vinales’ early races for Yamaha were something of a fluke as well, it is hard to think he is being less than fully backed by Yamaha now after I tended to blame favouritism towards Rossi for his fade out in that first year. FQ and Rins at least look to have good pace, those guys and maybe Morbidelli seem to be the future in the current field.

Uncle Carmelo may still be keen though, and Yamaha struggled for sponsorship while Valentino was at Ducati, but him transitioning to be the Yamaha team principal as you imply might address most of that. I guess being flogged by MM as a team manager may lack appeal for him as well.

One thing I did notice today was that when Luca Marini won the Moto2 race Rossi did not even come out to celebrate and shake his brothers hand. Uccio and Max ran out to celebrate with him, but no big brother... seemed a bit rough??? A big contrast compared to Marc who makes a point of always being in Parc Ferme to greet his brother.

Segfault · October 20th, 2019, 07:11 AM

According to Hodgson Yamaha tested new parts in Misano, on Qartararos's bike. He said the huge influence Rossi had at Yamaha seems fading.

Edit: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/mo...ashes-20658519

I really feel sorry for Vinales. Quite clear poor lad never had a chance.

Keshav · October 20th, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AJV80

One thing I did notice today was that when Luca Marini won the Moto2 race Rossi did not even come out to celebrate and shake his brothers hand. Uccio and Max ran out to celebrate with him, but no big brother... seemed a bit rough??? A big contrast compared to Marc who makes a point of always being in Parc Ferme to greet his brother.

Not being all cunty about it - but please don't post spoilers about other races in different threads. I haven't watched the Moto 2 yet.

AJV80 · October 20th, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Not being all cunty about it - but please don't post spoilers about other races in different threads. I haven't watched the Moto 2 yet.

Shit, sorry mate.

October 20th, 2019, 07:11 AM	#18
Segfault Senior Member Joined: Feb 2017 From: Acadiana Posts: 434 Likes: 155	According to Hodgson Yamaha tested new parts in Misano, on Qartararos's bike. He said the huge influence Rossi had at Yamaha seems fading. Edit: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/mo...ashes-20658519 I really feel sorry for Vinales. Quite clear poor lad never had a chance. Last edited by Segfault; October 20th, 2019 at 07:36 AM.

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October 19th, 2019, 11:44 PM	#11
Repsol 93 Senior Member Joined: Mar 2016 From: SoCal Posts: 102 Likes: 32 I Ride: 2008 CBR1000RR and 1995 CR500

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SlartyBartFast Senior Member Joined: Oct 2011 From: Adelaide Posts: 232 Likes: 105	C'mon Valentino, it's time vacate your seat for someone who deserves an opportunity. You will still be part of the circus management, and you will get even more face time on telle, I promise.