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October 16th, 2019, 05:20 PM   #81
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If reports are accurate, he never even unsheathed what was supposedly a kitchen knife with a 6 inch blade. A suspended sentence and fine for merely possessing it is, on the face of it, pretty absurd. OTOH - if British laws are that strict, it wasn't very smart of him to be carrying around, circumstances being what they were.
He was in an altercation involving his brother and a 63 year old man. Danny and his brother were collecting a debt from an unrelated party, for which the blades intended purpose was assumed to be to intimidate the owing party when the gentleman in question intervened and a scuffle ensued.

This is how young people die on our streets. Cowards with a point to prove who are out of their depth trying to play the part of a big man, a fist fight then becomes a knife fight and someone is murdered in cold blood for 50 quid.

A suspended sentence and fine in my humble opinion is a soft touch. I'd be far happier seeing the little prick serve 12 months. I seek some solace from the fact he effectively ended what was left of his career at his own hand. Good riddance.
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He was in an altercation involving his brother and a 63 year old man. Danny and his brother were collecting a debt from an unrelated party, for which the blades intended purpose was assumed to be to intimidate the owing party when the gentleman in question intervened and a scuffle ensued.

This is how young people die on our streets. Cowards with a point to prove who are out of their depth trying to play the part of a big man, a fist fight then becomes a knife fight and someone is murdered in cold blood for 50 quid.

A suspended sentence and fine in my humble opinion is a soft touch. I'd be far happier seeing the little prick serve 12 months. I seek some solace from the fact he effectively ended what was left of his career at his own hand. Good riddance.
Just out of curiosity, did anyone actually get stabbed with the knife?
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He was in an altercation involving his brother and a 63 year old man. Danny and his brother were collecting a debt from an unrelated party, for which the blades intended purpose was assumed to be to intimidate the owing party when the gentleman in question intervened and a scuffle ensued.

This is how young people die on our streets. Cowards with a point to prove who are out of their depth trying to play the part of a big man, a fist fight then becomes a knife fight and someone is murdered in cold blood for 50 quid.

A suspended sentence and fine in my humble opinion is a soft touch. I'd be far happier seeing the little prick serve 12 months. I seek some solace from the fact he effectively ended what was left of his career at his own hand. Good riddance.
I'm all about the non-violence mate. It's only that the accounts I've read said nothing about Kent actually wielding the knife. It sounded like it fell out of his pocket and someone freaked out. We have laws about that sort of thing as well, yet I can say that there's many a time I've walked home from work with a box cutter still in my back pocket, for which the police could, were they so inclined, assume it was for illegal purposes. I suppose it's because I've heard so many Brits complain about what a nanny state the UK has become, that I may have assumed that the judges may have imposed an overly harsh sentence based on what the press seemed to imply was largely circumstantial evidence.
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He and his brother were running from the scene of the said debt collection. The 63 year old assuming a crime was in progress intervened. A scuffle ensued and Kent dropped the knife. No one was stabbed or otherwise harmed.

The law states "The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife more than once."

It should be noted that anything up to 3 inches can be carried in public. One must also have a plausible reason for carrying the blade, a chef on the way to work for example. A professional motorcycle racer collecting a personal debt does not fall under this category, and as he could not provide a plausible reason he was convicted.

As this was his first offence his sentence was suspended (which I don't agree with. The law is too soft in this regard). In the UK, particularly inner cities, we have a rising knife crime problem. It is as a result of cut backs in the region of 20,000 police officers in the last decade that has contributed to this rise and so any accusations about this being a nanny state are unfounded at present.

A 16 year old was stabbed only two months ago yards from my doorstep. I'm fortunate enough to live in one of the safest boroughs of London which goes to show how widespread the problem has become.

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Sorry ladies and gents. I've kinda hijacked this thread. Feel free to get back on topic and ignore the ramblings of a grumpy Londoner...
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I think maybe knives are a bigger deal here. If you've got people carrying loaded guns in the US, carrying a knife might not seem a big deal. It's a bit of a problem here in the UK though and lots of knife crime.

I agree totally with ratdeal but can see that if you're from the US or somewhere else guns are normal, it seems a bit of an over the top reaction.
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I think maybe knives are a bigger deal here. If you've got people carrying loaded guns in the US, carrying a knife might not seem a big deal. It's a bit of a problem here in the UK though and lots of knife crime.

I agree totally with ratdeal but can see that if you're from the US or somewhere else guns are normal, it seems a bit of an over the top reaction.
I'm not close to the story and in no way trying to defend his actions, sounds like he was being a douchebag TBH. I'm from nanny state Australia and used to over the top laws, but not a big fan of people being charged for 'intent' to use a weapon when nothing actually happened, I find it very Tom Cruise 'Minority Report'.

Even carrying a concealed weapon laws can get murky. If I buy a knife from a hunting shop im fine to carry it home from purchase or carry it when i'm on route camping/hunting, but it's not fine if i'm going to the grocery store to buy some food and supplies just before I go camping, or if I forgot to buy something last minute when i'm on my way camping? If laws are made more black and white things are much easier.

But yeah, I understand why the laws are in place and that ultimately they are to protect and keep people safe. It's just a shame the world is so full of brain dead morons that create the need to have these laws in the first place.
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Danny Kent's excuse for carrying a concealed 6 inch kitchen knife when collecting a debt was that he uses it to open boxes at work. Which is clearly nonsense. He certainly didn't take it with the intent to harm, but as a deterrent. Which is exactly what is causing the spate of stabbings. Youngsters in gangs take knives as a form of protection, the problem is when said youth is set upon by 6 other lads also carrying knives. The obvious reaction is to grab the weapon in your pocket in order to defend oneself. The next thing you know there are a number of kids bleeding out of multiple stab wounds in broad daylight on the pavement.

I know it all sounds apocalyptic, but 20 years ago a stabbing death was headline news. Now there are 2 or 3 a week and we only hear about the fatalities, and not the kids who suffer life changing injuries but survive.
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I think maybe knives are a bigger deal here. If you've got people carrying loaded guns in the US, carrying a knife might not seem a big deal. It's a bit of a problem here in the UK though and lots of knife crime.

I agree totally with ratdeal but can see that if you're from the US or somewhere else guns are normal, it seems a bit of an over the top reaction.
Never knew that. Well, at least you don't get mass-knifings every week. Personally, I find myself walking that fine line between despair over the government's refusal to pass responsible acts and total apathy. It's hard to see America as it's viewed by the rest of the world; as a place where this kind of insanity is allowed to continue. People bitch and moan about sharia law and beheadings, but US govt bending to the gun lobby, allowing mass shootings every month kills a shit load more people than Wahabhi fanatics ever will.

End of rant.
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Gents, we are witnessing the fall of western civilization. Yes, that's true. Look at history books. Many great civilizations were born, they aged and they disappeared. That's the law of nature, there is nothing we can do about it. Look at Sweden. 20% of population is foreign born. Not so long ago police in Sweden had time to search for stolen bicycles. Now every fourth Swedish woman admits she is afraid to go out in dark. Murders are frequent and remain unpunished. Now they talk something needs to be done. It's too late, Swedistan is already lost. Merkel and co are like worms speeding up the fall of once a great tree. China and other eastern powers are not weakened by political correctness and other socialist b/s. They will rule the future of mankind.

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These mass shooters come from broken families, your NYT will not tell you that, but that's a fact. Thanks to welfare for single parents 40% of kids live in broken families in today's US. The latest had long juvenile crime record which was expunged - another liberal achievement - thus allowing access to the guns.

Being seriously off topic here I will stop now and will not to return to this theme.

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