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October 9th, 2019, 12:11 PM   #71
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Here is another tidbit of Moto 2 trivia . The class has been around 10 years and not one champion graduate has recorded a win in Moto GP except Marquez . ElŪas has a win but that was before he went to Moto2.
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Edit misread the part about champion.
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October 9th, 2019, 06:21 PM   #72
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Here is another tidbit of Moto 2 trivia . The class has been around 10 years and not one champion graduate has recorded a win in Moto GP except Marquez . ElŪas has a win but that was before he went to Moto2.
Controversial as this thought may be, but it does in many ways support Jack Miller's skipping of that class (IMO).

Sure to race in it may open doors if one is in the eye, but you should tak the opportunity when it comes
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Controversial as this thought may be, but it does in many ways support Jack Miller's skipping of that class (IMO).

Sure to race in it may open doors if one is in the eye, but you should tak the opportunity when it comes
While I donít think Miller is championship material , he didnít hurt himself jumping straight to GP. He has carved out a niche as a reliable top 10 rider who will have a seat for the next 4-6 years
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Don't know that Yamaha need half so much a better bike as they need better riders. After all this time Rossi is past his best-sold-by-date and Vinales still hasn't figured out how to make a good start and gets swamped by less experienced riders.

As to Miller going to Honda; I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Look at how beat up and dejected all the other Honda riders are. Marquez makes the bike look good. Of course it might just be that Fabs is doing the same with the Yamaha. Personally I'm psyched that a first year rookie on a customer bike is dicing it out regularly with MM. Want to make a Stoner comparison but wouldn't want to jinx the frog.
Honda is kinda what the ducati was. Only stoner could ride it, like marc with the honda. Who could challenge marc and adopt to the honda like him? Cal? Iannone? Lorenzos first year with ducati wasnt shit. And his 2nd wasnt either, apart from missing 4 races he was doing good. Wouldnt say rossi is done. He still finished 3rd last year. This year has been shit for both him and vin. Ducati should switch petrux to miller.
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Honda is kinda what the ducati was. Only stoner could ride it, like marc with the honda. Who could challenge marc and adopt to the honda like him? Cal? Iannone? Lorenzos first year with ducati wasnt shit. And his 2nd wasnt either, apart from missing 4 races he was doing good. Wouldnt say rossi is done. He still finished 3rd last year. This year has been shit for both him and vin. Ducati should switch petrux to miller.
Yes I've made the Honda/MM to Ducati/Stoner comparison as well. 3rd in the championship is a laudable accomplishment . . . for talented riders on satellite bikes and 2nd tier riders limited by injuries; and older riders resisting the call of WSBK.

Riders on top tier factory bikes should have results that improve from season to season, whereas Rossi is straining to get within 4 seconds of a podium finish. He's looking good, compared to Lorenzo who is terribly injured, and Vinales who just can't get it together and Petrucci who is a muddle.

Beyond the baseline raison d'etre of racing: Having a bunch of guys compete and win races, it's equally important mission is to entertain. Watching a 40 year-old just barely beating out (and not always) newbie riders on satellite bikes is not my idea of entertainment. Mind you I'm not being "ageist" I have a few years on Rossi.

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While I donít think Miller is championship material , he didnít hurt himself jumping straight to GP. He has carved out a niche as a reliable top 10 rider who will have a seat for the next 4-6 years
Totally my take.

Never seen him as a world champion in the top class but do feel that he is there or thereabouts in terms of consistent top 10 and feel that he could be a top 5 with the correct management.

He is getting there but still a little to go
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While I don’t think Miller is championship material , he didn’t hurt himself jumping straight to GP. He has carved out a niche as a reliable top 10 rider who will have a seat for the next 4-6 years
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Totally my take.

Never seen him as a world champion in the top class but do feel that he is there or thereabouts in terms of consistent top 10 and feel that he could be a top 5 with the correct management.

He is getting there but still a little to go

You are both forgetting it was Honda who moved Miller straight to GP. Maybe he would have been better if he had the chance to race in moto 2
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You are both forgetting it was Honda who moved Miller straight to GP. Maybe he would have been better if he had the chance to race in moto 2
Not forgetting at all actually but genuinely believe that you take the chance when it happens and do not wait as one does not know what may come.

We have seen riders across many categories 'wait' for the right opportunity only to have a poor year or the opportunity not arise, ultimately lowering their value or completely missing out, at least Miller is in the main game with the risks taken
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You only have to look at danny kent. Got offered the pramac ride after winning the moto 3 title. where would he be now if he had took it. Got to be better than having a jail sentence over his head like he has now.
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You only have to look at danny kent. Got offered the pramac ride after winning the moto 3 title. where would he be now if he had took it. Got to be better than having a jail sentence over his head like he has now.
If reports are accurate, he never even unsheathed what was supposedly a kitchen knife with a 6 inch blade. A suspended sentence and fine for merely possessing it is, on the face of it, pretty absurd. OTOH - if British laws are that strict, it wasn't very smart of him to be carrying around, circumstances being what they were.
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