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October 6th, 2019, 11:55 PM   #51
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Zarco (and Tech 3) also signed with KTM during his second season.
Yamaha in general struggled the most during the 2018 season at a factory level, so I don’t think the departure of either really caused them to miss out on much when it came to factory support.

But you’re right, It’s a different case for Fabio, Yamaha has improved this season and looks like it will continue to next season fingers crossed.
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Zarco's Rookie Season: 1 DNF, 2 Poles, 3 podiums - 6th 174 points
Quartararo's Rookie Season: 3 DNF, 4 Poles, 5 podiums - 7th 143 points (4 rounds to go).

There are similarities in the rookie season performances of the two but Fabio does looks the stronger of the two. It will be interesting to see how he goes next year with better equipment and additional support. Zarco's performance plateaued for his second year remaining similar in the standing. I wonder if the same with happen with Fabio or whether he keeps improving and getting stronger. I have a feeling he will push himself and be even stronger next season now that he knows he can do it.
This. This is the 1 thing that is really bugging me about Fabio's season. I hope Fabio continues to improve but I remember being really excited about Zarcoo in his first season.
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This. This is the 1 thing that is really bugging me about Fabio's season. I hope Fabio continues to improve but I remember being really excited about Zarcoo in his first season.
Yeah, Yamaha where in a real rut when Zarco was riding for them. I wonder how much of that impacted his results?

The series really needs someone like Fabio who can take the fight to Marc.
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Yeah, Yamaha where in a real rut when Zarco was riding for them. I wonder how much of that impacted his results?

The series really needs someone like Fabio who can take the fight to Marc.
Sure, but Yamaha weren’t so bad that pretty much anyone regarded a KTM factory ride as better than a Yamaha factory ride though, although some of we anti-Rossi cultists considered that the prospect of being involved with Yamaha and inevitably hence with Rossi must have looked pretty bad to Zarco for him to make that decision. He was wrong obviously, as were we, the bike is starting to look fairly good, whether because of or despite Rossi, and there is no indication that Vinales, FQ et al are suffering from any lack of support or are being disadvantaged by favouritism towards Rossi. Jorge to Ducati (at least, I am not sure he had much choice in going to Honda), Zarco to KTM and indeed Rossi himself to Ducati are all looking like unwise decisions made with an element of personal pique, although all three I am sure were paid well, and Jorge and particularly Valentino had obviously already achieved greatly of course.
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Sure, but Yamaha weren’t so bad that pretty much anyone regarded a KTM factory ride as better than a Yamaha factory ride though, although some of we anti-Rossi cultists considered that the prospect of being involved with Yamaha and inevitably hence with Rossi must have looked pretty bad to Zarco for him to make that decision. He was wrong obviously, as were we, the bike is starting to look fairly good, whether because of or despite Rossi, and there is no indication that Vinales, FQ et al are suffering from any lack of support or are being disadvantaged by favouritism towards Rossi. Jorge to Ducati (at least, I am not sure he had much choice in going to Honda), Zarco to KTM and indeed Rossi himself to Ducati are all looking like unwise decisions made with an element of personal pique, although all three I am sure were paid well, and Jorge and particularly Valentino had obviously already achieved greatly of course.
I was one of the people at the time thinking Zarco’s KTM move could actually work out. Partly because at the time Yamaha where in a bit of a hole and I thought that with an up and coming ex word champion star like Zarco on the books that KTM would be making big bold changes to the bike if needed to get his results in the same space as they where at Yamaha. The KTM was still early in its development and I thought if he couldn’t get results with them then they would develop heavily around Zarco’s criteria.

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I was one of the people at the time thinking Zarco’s KTM move could actually work out. Partly because at the time Yamaha where in a bit of a hole and I thought that with an up and coming ex word champion star like Zarco on the books that KTM would be making big bold changes to the bike if needed to get his results in the same space as they where at Yamaha. The KTM was still early in its development and I thought if he couldn’t get results with them then they would develop heavily around Zarco’s criteria.

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I certainly had no perception it would end as badly as it did, being fairly impressed with Zarco myself, and to me it says as much or more about KTM and their culture which has now been revealed, akin to Ducati (? of old), as it does about Zarco,
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I have to say I didn't expect him to go to KTM. I thought he was a little too old to take risks - well, I know he is young, but young/old have a little different meaning in MotoGP. I thought KTM won't be able to provide a competitive bike for several seasons to come, thus being a wrong choice for someone like Zarco. But then I thought Zarco knows better what's good for him ...
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I think most of us who have followed motorcycle racing for a while do believe at some point KTM will get it right and have a top Motogp machine. KTM has the money, they have the engineers, but they have not developed the right philosophy yet, their commitment to the steel trellis frame is an example of that.

Based on the timing, I think Zarco made the right move when he went to KTM, it was a big payday for him.
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I think most of us who have followed motorcycle racing for a while do believe at some point KTM will get it right and have a top Motogp machine. KTM has the money, they have the engineers, but they have not developed the right philosophy yet, their commitment to the steel trellis frame is an example of that.

Based on the timing, I think Zarco made the right move when he went to KTM, it was a big payday for him.
Yep, all ex Honda people.
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Yep, all ex Honda people.
That would explain a bit, Honda have a bike only Marc can ride and now KTM are working hard to make sure they have one that only Pol can ride.
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