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October 6th, 2019, 05:29 PM   #41
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I was working on the assumption that he would replace Rossi. Vinales can't get his head right with an aging has been as a team mate, let alone a rapid championship challenging kid.

I'm pretty sure if he continues to contest wins and potentially championships whilst the factory team battle just to get the odd podium, there is nothing to stop him driving development in his direction regardless of factory or satellite status. As has been proven historically (Gibernau for eg) being the number one rider need not require one to have a seat in the factory squad. Whatever keeps the rider happiest and motivated is what the rider should receive in my opinion. If that means the Petronas liveried team gets the best equipment and a few top engineers from the factory garage then so be it. Why upset the apple cart when the rider is clearly very happy, settled, and has made no mumurs about wanting a Monster seat?
As much as Rossi is clearly the aging slower rider in the team I don't see Yamaha letting him go simply because of the PR he brings to the brand. That's probably the main reason he is there now. I don't think they would let MV go either. They do need a really big shake up and I think Lin Jarvis and Valentino Rossi need to go, the team seems very stale.

Agree, It would be mutually beneficial for Yamaha to include FQ as much as possible with developing the bike but I honestly don't know how that works or whether his involvement would be limited in any way simply because he doesn't ride a blue bike. I'd hope not because that makes no sense at all... but neither does extending the contract of an ageing 40 year old rider who hasn't won a race in two years but there is talk of that happening??
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If I remember correctly, Lin Jarvis recently stated that Rossi retires when Yamaha management decides he does if Valentino hasn't come to that conclusion himself in due time. They just didn't give an indication of when. I agree that his time has passed and probably did so a number of years ago.

If Lin Jarvis was the CEO of a company the board would have gotten rid of him a long time ago based upon his results. He has overseen the loss of a champion rider, the pandering to another based upon non performance related factors, and the year on year sub standard performance of the team based upon the industry accepted metrics (wins and championships). He has been nicking a wage for years now.

The entire race department needs an overhaul, from the top down.
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The 8 time champion winning a last corner battle with a rookie on a satellite bike aint really nothin to write home about...

With little more race-craft (a-la Dovi or Rins) a seasoned rider, not gunning for their first GP win, may have let MM by with 7-8 laps to go to probe his weaknesses and let him bear the brunt of leading and conserve energy/tire/bike for the last lap battle to come...
Is incredibly not a sufficiently strong adjective for you?. Absolutely it is impressive a seasoned rider in his pomp who is rapidly approaching being at the very pinnacle of the pantheon of gp riders all time needed a moderately desperate last lap move to beat FQ as I believe I pretty much said.

As regards MM I do find it admirable as others have said that like Rossi at his peak he will still take some risk to go for a win regardless of the points standings, and it was merely an observation that I do think he has decided not to let a competitor have the last shot at him, perhaps backing up Dovi's post race observation that he is still capable of learning/improving. Whether this will work against a crafty rider like Dovi on a day when Dovi is on riding a bike with different characteristics like the Ducati is another question as you say, but I don't believe MM to FQ's credit had the pace to make a break on FQ in this race and wouldn't have tried to do so particularly given they weren't under pressure from following riders; they were a fair way in front of Vinales.(EDIT Vinales was closer than I thought; 0perhaps FQ could have forced MM to take the lead).

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Regularly? Really?

Common folks. FQ has been a revelation but he has NOT been "regularly" dicing it out. He has had mechanical issues, he has had inconsistencies, he has shown great POTENTIAL, he has ridden the stalite bike as well as Zarco... oh how soon we forget when we have something new and shiny to swoon over.

He has had unbelievable one lap speed.

Keep it real fan-boyz...
Zarco's Rookie Season: 1 DNF, 2 Poles, 3 podiums - 6th 174 points
Quartararo's Rookie Season: 3 DNF, 4 Poles, 5 podiums - 7th 143 points (4 rounds to go).

There are similarities in the rookie season performances of the two but Fabio does looks the stronger of the two. It will be interesting to see how he goes next year with better equipment and additional support. Zarco's performance plateaued for his second year remaining similar in the standing. I wonder if the same with happen with Fabio or whether he keeps improving and getting stronger. I have a feeling he will push himself and be even stronger next season now that he knows he can do it.
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From Reddit,

Edit to add: the interview was in Italian so something might have gotten lost in translation. Maybe Rossi didn’t really mean to sound like sour grapes in English. Italian speaking folks on here can clarify that.
I hope it is a mis-translation, otherwise he is displaying all the (lack of ) grace that has characterised his latter career, and perhaps continues to spend too much time with Uccio.

Maybe he took his eye off the ball pre-season in regard to 2006 which is his own problem, but Nicky won that title fair and square in a season with close to the most equal equipment across the grid all time, and Valentino was unable to beat Toni Elias when Elias got SNS tires for a single race, as well as as only being in an advantageous position to win the the title in the last race because of a Pedrosa torpedo on Nicky. He was also simply not fast enough in the late season races in 2015; beating Pedrosa and Iannone in various end of season races would have given him the title regardless of MM or Lorenzo, and it could be argued MM threw away a title that year himself in any case, given that settling for his positions at the time when he crashed out of all those races would have given him the title.
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MM's bold statement: "An 8 time world champ can beat a rookie on a stalite bike who has never won a race"... whoo-hoo!!
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Regularly? Really?

Common folks. FQ has been a revelation but he has NOT been "regularly" dicing it out. He has had mechanical issues, he has had inconsistencies, he has shown great POTENTIAL, he has ridden the stalite bike as well as Zarco... oh how soon we forget when we have something new and shiny to swoon over.

He has had unbelievable one lap speed.

Keep it real fan-boyz...
Well, I may have used the word regularly too loosely. But he's been competing with MM for poles like no other rookie, and twice now led races with MM sitting on his tail, whilst much more experienced riders were wayyyy behind. The possibility of a Zarco redux is on the minds of all who were disappointed by his fall from grace, tho if he'd stayed at Yamaha I don't believe that would have happened. I don't think it's fan-boyish to have high hopes for the ascent of a hot young talent; especially in light of how boring it is when MM continues to effortlessly walk away with titles.

BTW Mate - what is this "stalite" of which you speak?
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Is incredibly not a sufficiently strong adjective for you?. Absolutely it is impressive a seasoned rider in his pomp who is rapidly approaching being at the very pinnacle of the pantheon of gp riders all time needed a moderately desperate last lap move to beat FQ as I believe I pretty much said.

As regards MM I do find it admirable as others have said that like Rossi at his peak he will still take some risk to go for a win regardless of the points standings, and it was merely an observation that I do think he has decided not to let a competitor have the last shot at him, perhaps backing up Dovi's post race observation that he is still capable of learning/improving. Whether this will work against a crafty rider like Dovi on a day when Dovi is on riding a bike with different characteristics like the Ducati is another question as you say, but I don't believe MM to FQ's credit had the pace to make a break on FQ in this race and wouldn't have tried to do so particularly given they weren't under pressure from following riders; they were a fair way in front of Vinales.(EDIT Vinales was closer than I thought; 0perhaps FQ could have forced MM to take the lead).
Methinks you missed my point entirely.
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BTW Mate - what is this "stalite" of which you speak?
Hmmmm... good question. A result of posting in the middle of the night while trying to abate arthritic pain...
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Methinks you missed my point entirely.
You will have to enlighten me then. What exactly is your point?. Is it wrong to be excited by either or both of MM and FQ ?. .

I don’t think Zarco showed one lap pace as consistently as FQ and I agree with Kesh that he would likely still be doing well if he was on a Yamaha btw. I perforce must beg forgiveness for liking the idea of MM having some competition.
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Zarco's Rookie Season: 1 DNF, 2 Poles, 3 podiums - 6th 174 points
Quartararo's Rookie Season: 3 DNF, 4 Poles, 5 podiums - 7th 143 points (4 rounds to go).

There are similarities in the rookie season performances of the two but Fabio does looks the stronger of the two. It will be interesting to see how he goes next year with better equipment and additional support. Zarco's performance plateaued for his second year remaining similar in the standing. I wonder if the same with happen with Fabio or whether he keeps improving and getting stronger. I have a feeling he will push himself and be even stronger next season now that he knows he can do it.
Zarco (and Tech 3) also signed with KTM during his second season.
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