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September 23rd, 2019, 08:13 AM   #51
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I thinks it's a combination of both. His injuries are accentuating his difficulties with the bike. As Crutchlow says repeatedly; the current Honda requires a lot of strong rider input to extract the performance. He even once mentioned how this was illustrated by how tired a very fit Marquez can appear after a race. So if it takes so much to tame the bike, then Jorge who is injured and unfit as a result will only get on that much worse. I doubt he'd be doing better than Crutchlow if he was fit, though of course that's just my own speculation.
That's probably true, but I doubt Pedrosa is stronger and more fit than than Lorenzo, and even the often injured Pedrosa wasn't fighting for last position.
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That's probably true, but I doubt Pedrosa is stronger and more fit than than Lorenzo, and even the often injured Pedrosa wasn't fighting for last position.
Bike was actually built around Pedrosa wasn't it?

Dude still fell off the charts with time.
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Bike was actually built around Pedrosa wasn't it?

Dude still fell off the charts with time.
I think for the past 6 years the bike has been built for Marquez.
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That's probably true, but I doubt Pedrosa is stronger and more fit than than Lorenzo, and even the often injured Pedrosa wasn't fighting for last position.
but Pedrossa's style was very loose, he didn't mind sliding both tires, and thats probably based on his size and weight, because its harder to load the suspension.
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Bike was actually built around Pedrosa wasn't it?

Dude still fell off the charts with time.
That was in 2007. It's been through a lot of iterations since then. Tho ergonomically it wouldn't need to be bigger for Stoner at 5.7 or Marquez who's only 5.6.

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Can't help wondering if it's his inability to adjust to the Honda or if he's still coping with injury.
Both i would say. Either he should take a year of or finish 2020 with honda and move to suzuki in 2021. Rins to repsol, lorenzo to suzuki. Similar bike to yama. Dont think rossi will retire after 2020. He will probably ride until 2022. And with lorenzos style; the suzuki is perfect.
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I want to retort to that but I am unsure.

When the bike is working for them a bad tyre will result in a second or third place at worst.

You can argue Stoner lost 2012 because of Bad tires, I say that was just the icing on the cake & the injury towards the end was the cherry on top. He still managed to win a few but Lorenzo's Yamaha was just working so well it was too much of a battle for Stoner to care. He was also quite over fighting on and off the track with Valezpeleta team fucking with him at every chance.

Other than that year a bogus tyre would relegate him to second or third in 2011 at worst.

The Ducati quest is out of the question imo. That just wasn't fair.

For Marc, other than this year a bad (more like incorrect choice, Stoner didn't have one in 2012) tire could lead him to fall and or finish off the podium too as it has happened.

I basically don't know if you are right or not lol
In 2012 it was possible to hamper Stoner by taking away “his” tire as they did with the tire vote, and much of his success was on the hard Bridgestone. The Ducati was designed around a particular Bridgestone tire of course and didn’t work without it which I imagine would have applied to MM as well.
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In 2012 it was possible to hamper Stoner by taking away “his” tire as they did with the tire vote, and much of his success was on the hard Bridgestone. The Ducati was designed around a particular Bridgestone tire of course and didn’t work without it which I imagine would have applied to MM as well.
As I said I think Stoner could have rode around that had he had any fire left in him.

He did it for years on the ducati even though at a physical and mental cost.
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As I said I think Stoner could have rode around that had he had any fire left in him.

He did it for years on the ducati even though at a physical and mental cost.
I tend to agree, he was getting fast on the other tire prior to the crash at Indy and devastated the field at PI while still injured on that tire (he could probably have won on a bicycle at PI though), but he didn’t really want to be there in 2012 in the first place, let alone after the late weight change and tire vote which confirmed his world view and in particular his view of Dorna’s attitude towards him. It is something of a maxim that just because you are paranoid it doesn’t mean everyone isn’t after you btw.
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I tend to agree, he was getting fast on the other tire prior to the crash at Indy and devastated the field at PI while still injured on that tire (he could probably have won on a bicycle at PI though), but he didn’t really want to be there in 2012 in the first place, let alone after the late weight change and tire vote which confirmed his world view and in particular his view of Dorna’s attitude towards him. It is something of a maxim that just because you are paranoid it doesn’t mean everyone isn’t after you btw.
Nah yeah I agree Dorna and the Valezpelta team screwed Stoner into retirement.

It also hurt my feelings that he left but at the same time I felt a great relief.

It had to suck to be scrutinized so hard by everyone because you had the bad luck to run into a very popular enemy (not rival, rivals are ok)

All his problems were under-mimed and ridiculed by the general public.

Spanish TV made me sick to the stomach in 2012.

There was a change of ownership for the Motogp broadcast around that time.

First Race: Stoner runs off into the distance, gets a 2 second leads and holds it for a bit, 5 laps to go or so and the arm pump started hitting him to the point of losing 2 positions.

Commentators first comment? Tonight we dine Kangaroo!!!!!.....

I was furious
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