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September 22nd, 2019, 10:17 PM   #41
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I’ve had a broken vertebrae, it impedes your movement massively. The pain is almost constant. Dull when you’re not moving, sharp when you’re trying to move.

The forces the riders must have on the bike would cause some serious discomfort and lead to exhaustion far quicker.
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Great photo. I think Jack has really matured this year. Started the year going like a bat outa hell and burning up his tyres, but the last few races has really started to do the hard yards during practise by concentrating on set up & race pace. His end of race pace has been pretty good, whereas earlier in the year he was falling down the order. Now he genearally qualifies well and races with thought and maturity. Petruci had better keep looking over his shoulder, cause since he signed that contract extension, his riding has been very average. I hope he nevers loose the "Jack being Jack" behaviour though.
Agreed although for mine, if you compare Jack's first half of this season with Petrucci's first half in 2018, the results are a bit similar in terms of start fast, then fade so for mine it may well be a bike/setup issue and differences between the factory but non-Factory of Pramac and the factory really means factory of the Ducati team.

As for Petrucci, well I have seen it reported (rumours only) that all he really wanted to do was win a MotoGP race and now he is somewhat lost for motivation - time will tell but for mine as many said at the time, Ducati made a mistake in the longer term to appease a number in the shorter term
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September 23rd, 2019, 01:16 AM   #43
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Agreed although for mine, if you compare Jack's first half of this season with Petrucci's first half in 2018, the results are a bit similar in terms of start fast, then fade so for mine it may well be a bike/setup issue and differences between the factory but non-Factory of Pramac and the factory really means factory of the Ducati team.

As for Petrucci, well I have seen it reported (rumours only) that all he really wanted to do was win a MotoGP race and now he is somewhat lost for motivation - time will tell but for mine as many said at the time, Ducati made a mistake in the longer term to appease a number in the shorter term
That sounds seriously like rumour propagated by frustrated fans. I don’t believe it for a minute. I think the tyres are more challenging than it seems on the surface. Many of the riders are all over the place in performance from track to track this season. Only Marq has been able to keep his competitive edge every race weekend, though even he suffers since he fluctuates from dominating a weekend to having to fight for a victory and losing it at times.
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Like I said, I think Jacks improvement in performance is due to more focus in getting a good race setup during free practice. Once they have the bike setup right, they can then prepare a race strategy & pace to get the most out of the tyre. I don't know if the team has a better grasp on the bike than earlier on, or maybe Jack is better able to feel what the bike is doing during the race. Either way, his pace & consistency in the second half of the race is getting better, which was his achiles heel at the start of the season.

If the win by Petrux has blunted his motivation, he needs to hang up his helmet and give that ride to Jack immediately. Usually the rush from such a high results in an even greater focus to repeat that sensation he experienced when winning.
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That sounds seriously like rumour propagated by frustrated fans. I don’t believe it for a minute. I think the tyres are more challenging than it seems on the surface. Many of the riders are all over the place in performance from track to track this season. Only Marq has been able to keep his competitive edge every race weekend, though even he suffers since he fluctuates from dominating a weekend to having to fight for a victory and losing it at times.
It does, but it was reported that during the coverage BTSport openly discussed it but as I do not get that feed it is heresay only.

That said, I can see where the theory may have started and whilst yes, certainly all riders with one exception have struggled, let us also not forget that after his win he openly stated that it was now time to support Dovi, which some interpreted as being a slapdown as he had beaten Dovi and that did not sit well with some (that is something I can see given commentary).
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Like I said, I think Jacks improvement in performance is due to more focus in getting a good race setup during free practice. Once they have the bike setup right, they can then prepare a race strategy & pace to get the most out of the tyre. I don't know if the team has a better grasp on the bike than earlier on, or maybe Jack is better able to feel what the bike is doing during the race. Either way, his pace & consistency in the second half of the race is getting better, which was his achiles heel at the start of the season.

If the win by Petrux has blunted his motivation, he needs to hang up his helmet and give that ride to Jack immediately. Usually the rush from such a high results in an even greater focus to repeat that sensation he experienced when winning.
I personally suspect that it is a little from all columns.

Now doubt for me Jack is getting more accustomed to providing better feedback and is also likely starting to strategise better so is learning to race for the full length rather than to beat people in the first lap.

Pramac are likely getting better with the bike, better and giving Jack what he needs on that bike and better an communicating with Jack as to what they need from him.

As for Petrux, if the story is true then he needs to get out of there or find that trigger that regains motivation.
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That sounds seriously like rumour propagated by frustrated fans. I don’t believe it for a minute. I think the tyres are more challenging than it seems on the surface. Many of the riders are all over the place in performance from track to track this season. Only Marq has been able to keep his competitive edge every race weekend, though even he suffers since he fluctuates from dominating a weekend to having to fight for a victory and losing it at times.
Agree about tires, they have been a determining factor both pre and post the control tire rule, formula Michelin/the SNS era, during the few years of the Michelin vs Bridgestone tire war when Bridgestone eventually became equal or better etc, etc, unless you are the close to infinitely adaptable MM, and even he has to “struggle” to get second some weekends as you say.

As Gaz may have implied, I do have my suspicions about Ducati as well though as to varying the specs of the bikes they provide particularly to the satellite team riders whether or not said bikes are theoretically full factory, and perhaps even to the second rider on the actual factory team depending on which way the political currents are running. Machiavelli and the Borgias operated not far from Bologna I am led to believe.

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So was the Aprilia fast or was Rossi just slow?

Love that miller made it on the podium however I wanted Mav to take those extra points.

When not even marc's team know why he is this fast it becomes scary.

He does remind me of stoner sometimes &&&& i thought we wouldn't have many run away races like this due to the tires etc.
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So was the Aprilia fast or was Rossi just slow?

Love that miller made it on the podium however I wanted Mav to take those extra points.

When not even marc's team know why he is this fast it becomes scary.

He does remind me of stoner sometimes &&&& i thought we wouldn't have many run away races like this due to the tires etc.
I think MM is less affected by tires that don’t suit him than Stoner.
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I think MM is less affected by tires that don’t suit him than Stoner.
I want to retort to that but I am unsure.

When the bike is working for them a bad tyre will result in a second or third place at worst.

You can argue Stoner lost 2012 because of Bad tires, I say that was just the icing on the cake & the injury towards the end was the cherry on top. He still managed to win a few but Lorenzo's Yamaha was just working so well it was too much of a battle for Stoner to care. He was also quite over fighting on and off the track with Valezpeleta team fucking with him at every chance.

Other than that year a bogus tyre would relegate him to second or third in 2011 at worst.

The Ducati quest is out of the question imo. That just wasn't fair.

For Marc, other than this year a bad (more like incorrect choice, Stoner didn't have one in 2012) tire could lead him to fall and or finish off the podium too as it has happened.

I basically don't know if you are right or not lol
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