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September 17th, 2019, 04:40 PM   #21
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Sure, no-one should underestimate the money factor, although I think Jorge was on the outer with Ducati in general when he made his decision to leave; continuing to win races would likely have healed most ills, but the wins he did have probably came after the die was cast.

It is also a tough business cf Stoner being persona non grata at Ducati 3 years after winning their only title and Eddie Lawson ending up at Cagiva a couple of years after winning a 3rd title for Yamaha.

Pretty much everyone thought both Ducati and Honda were bad moves for Jorge. It is hard to know whether he might have finally got it together on the Honda as he did on the Ducati, he showed some signs of doing so before injury, but I think he is done for this year at least and maybe for good, he is no spring chicken now and repetitive injuries catch up with riders at his current stage in his career.

Jorge and Zarco both seem to have been influenced by not wanting to be on the same team as Rossi, Jorge with some cause imo; I don’t know if Jorge could have toughed it out although I think he got equal equipment if not his preferred tyre in 2016. I hope Zarco got plenty of Red Bull money, because KTM has been disastrous for him, and he won’t have Jorge’s 3 titles to console him.
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He started with top rider status, there was debate as to whether iannone or Dovi should be his team mate if you recall. Dovi greatly out performed him in 2017 pure and simple.

The only thing, and reportedly a cause of some of the rancour between him and Dovi, was whether he was a more significant contributor than Dovi to the quality of the bike with Gigi apparently on the Jorge side of the argument. At the moment there seems to be an impasse between Dovi and Gigi with Dovi back to the old make the Ducati into a Yamaha thing and Gigi apparently of the opinion this can’t be done and/or it being a bad idea to attempt this.

In the end if Jorge has made 2 ego driven major career decisions that is on him, fan of his though I am, and similarly if his decisions were mainly on the basis of the money on offer. Rossi didn’t repeat his Ducati error. It is also likely once it became obvious Rossi was on the decline Yamaha would have backed Jorge who did after all win them their last 3 titles, with anything held against him over 2015 forgotten.
Timing is everything. Certainly was my understanding that by the time he started to turn things around, he was already half-way out the door and Ducati was determined to replace him.

The injuries of course have to be factored in longevity-wise. Rossi's ability to race for so many years with only one serious injury has been such HUGE factor in his staying power. Dani OTH was to my mind, something of a phenomenon, although another way of looking at it would be, he was just incredibly, obsessively determined to stay in it as long as possible, which in the end, I think he will live to regret. I'd hate to be him going through airport metal detectors.

I'm not sure I was ever fully aware that Lorenzo had top status on the team. His lack of performance relative to Dovi's had to have been a bitter pill to swallow.

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1 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 338.6 1'46.869
2 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 331.3 1'48.486 1.617 / 1.617
3 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 327.3 1'48.870 2.001 / 0.384
4 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 335.4 1'48.889 2.020 / 0.019
5 43 Jack MILLER AUS Pramac Racing Ducati 336.5 1'49.101 2.232 / 0.212
6 36 Joan MIR SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 333.4 1'49.101 2.232
7 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 334.4 1'49.230 2.361 / 0.129
8 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 335.4 1'49.300 2.431 / 0.070
9 21 Franco MORBIDELLI ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 328.3 1'49.304 2.435 / 0.004
10 30 Takaaki NAKAGAMI JPN LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda 330.3 1'49.443 2.574 / 0.139
11 88 Miguel OLIVEIRA POR Red Bull KTM Tech 3 KTM 327.3 1'49.445 2.576 / 0.002
12 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 329.3 1'49.508 2.639 / 0.063
13 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 335.4 1'49.565 2.696 / 0.057
14 53 Tito RABAT SPA Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 331.3 1'49.607 2.738 / 0.042
15 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 337.5 1'49.709 2.840 / 0.102
16 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 330.3 1'49.809 2.940 / 0.100
17 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 329.3 1'49.913 3.044 / 0.104
18 63 Francesco BAGNAIA ITA Pramac Racing Ducati 331.3 1'50.122 3.253 / 0.209
19 82 Mika KALLIO FIN Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 334.4 1'50.128 3.259 / 0.006
20 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 332.3 1'50.155 3.286 / 0.027
21 55 Hafizh SYAHRIN MAL Red Bull KTM Tech 3 KTM 327.3 1'50.418 3.549 / 0.263
22 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Aprilia Racing Team Aprilia 331.3 1'50.455 3.586 / 0.037
23 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 333.4 1'51.034 4.165 / 0.579




ooook, Marc 1.6second ahead in FP1 and nobody went below 1'48 in FP2

Yamaha looking strong....'ish now after what farcken marc did lol
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Will Marquez run away with it or can Quartararo and Viñales make a race out of it?
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wtf is rossi even doing
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Certainly was on another universe today. Actually reminded me of Stoner on one of his invincible days.
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Certainly was on another universe today. Actually reminded me of Stoner on one of his invincible days.
Reminded me of Lorenzos 2019
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wtf is rossi even doing
I messed up the time by an hour what happened?
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I messed up the time by an hour what happened?
Started 6th, finished 8th, couldnt pass an aprilia.
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Started 6th, finished 8th, couldnt pass an aprilia.
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