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September 14th, 2019, 08:14 AM   #21
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September 14th, 2019, 08:42 AM   #22
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So for the 3rd time (at least) this season Marquez picks Rossi to help tow him to a good qualifying position and people are upset because they end up getting in each other's way? The bored "fans" are more upset over it than either of the riders. Anything for some excitement I guess.
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Rossi lap was gone and he appeared to have backed out of it anyway, the commentators also believed he had backed out of it as well. Marquez was having red sectors and still trying to get on pole. Made the pass because he knew he had to get through to have a chance. Rossi decided to stuff it up the inside because he’s a cunt.
I stand corrected. The Dorna broadcast didn't show Rossi invalidate his lap at turn 6. In which case Valentino was in the wrong. I have yet to see the footage. Was it obvious he had run wide or marginal?

Edit: Having now watched the replays and Marc's testimony I'd say by the looks of it they both reasonably thought they hadn't exceeded track limits.

I'd say it's still fair game for both unless of course Valentino or Marc were aware that the laps were invalidated in which case its just petty.

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I stand corrected. The Dorna broadcast didn't show Rossi invalidate his lap at turn 6. In which case Valentino was in the wrong. I have yet to see the footage. Was it obvious he had run wide or marginal?
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Marquez: I don't know what Rossi's intention was... -UPDATED

Marc Marquez has given his opinion of the last-lap tangle with MotoGP rival Valentino Rossi, during qualifying at Misano, for which both have been summoned to appear before the FIM Stewards.

Marquez had been following Rossi before launching a close inside pass at the fast Curvone turn, only to run wide on the exit, for which he would have lost the lap for exceeding track limits.

That mistake also put Rossi back on the tail of the Honda and the Italian, perhaps unhappy at the previous pass, then dived inside at the Turn 14 hairpin, a move that forced both riders to sit up and run wide.

But it later emerged that, unseen on the live broadcast, Rossi had also exceeded track limits earlier in the lap.

Marquez and Rossi will appear before the FIM Stewards later this afternoon.

"At first I didnít understand what happened because that kind of overtake in qualifying practice is a little bit strange," Marquez said. "I donít know what the intention was, you must ask him. But anyway I will explain from the beginning to be clear because people will say 'he was following again Valentino' but it was not like this.

"I went out from the box on my last run and, you check, I was completely alone. Then when I arrived at the back straight Valentino was waiting or riding very slow and then I just stopped behind him, because of course I was in front of him in the timesheets and my intention was not to push until my last lap.

"We started the last lap, I put some gap between us. Then when we went out from Turn Six he touched the green so his lap was cancelled. Then I saw he was riding fast, but not super fast. Then I had the chance to overtake on the back straight.

"It's true that then in the fast corner I touched the green, but I only saw on the TV [after] because on the bike I didn't realise. So I kept pushing, but then we arrived at Turn 14, I just go in and I saw one black-and-yellow bike arriving very fast on the inside with a speed that was impossible to turn the corner.

"Lucky for me I was able to avoid the crash, this was a good reaction. And the second reaction with my hand, I want to be clear that it was not to say 'sorry' it was just to say 'what's going on here?' because I didn't understand.

"But anyway the best thing for me is that this time I was able to avoid the crash."

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Marquez would later repeat the phrase 'this time I was able to avoid the crash' (see below) prompting many to feel he was referring to the infamous Sepang 2015 clash, when Rossi - angry at fierce opposition from the Spaniard as he battled Jorge Lorenzo for the title - launched a similar block pass that ended with Marquez on the ground.

The Repsol Honda rider, firmly on course for his sixth MotoGP crown, added that he feared an injury during today's incident - but did not want to comment on a possible penalty for the home hero:

You said you donít understand, but can you imagine what was going through Valentino's mind?

Marquez: "I can imagine but I cannot say because you must ask him and he will explain. But I know his answer."

What will his answer be you think?

Marquez: "I donít know."

You said you knowÖ

Marquez: "That he tried to overtake me and he went wide. That will be the answer. But anyway it was like this and the most important for me is that this time I was able to avoid the crash. He went in very very fast but I was able to avoid the crash. This is most important because an injury now to a finger can mean big damage in the championship because next week we have another race."

How close was it with Rossi to avoid the crash?

Marquez: "Yeah, of course it was close because I didnít expect it. Because in qualifying I already brake very very late and you can see, the leg was off the footrest and I had a big moment. It was an aggressive reaction because I didn't expect it, also because his lap was cancelled because on the exit of Turn 6 Ė and this is important Ė he touched the green. For that reason, it's difficult to understand what the intention was. You can ask him!"

Do you think Valentino needs a penalty?

Marquez: "I donít care because he's not a contender for the championship. I donít know and I will not lose time to push for a penalty. It's not my decision."
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Do you think Valentino needs a penalty?

Marquez: "I donít care because he's not a contender for the championship. I donít know and I will not lose time to push for a penalty. It's not my decision."
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It's not savage, penalizing someone that isn't in the run for the championship doesn't have much of an affect on them. It would only matter if they were close in championship points.
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It's not savage, penalizing someone that isn't in the run for the championship doesn't have much of an affect on them. It would only matter if they were close in championship points.
Savage was the calling him a non contender part, because he is not important any more.
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Savage was the calling him a non contender part, because he is not important any more.
"Not contender for the championship" is what you bolded as savage. I don't see how that's a savage comment, it's just the truth. At this stage of the season, there isn't anyone else in contention for the championship. Even Vinales just said "I have nothing to lose and everything to win". Everyone is so far behind in points, shit doesn't matter at this point.

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Rossi lap was gone and he appeared to have backed out of it anyway, the commentators also believed he had backed out of it as well. Marquez was having red sectors and still trying to get on pole. Made the pass because he knew he had to get through to have a chance. Rossi decided to stuff it up the inside because heís a cunt.
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