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August 28th, 2019, 05:21 PM   #81
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Obligation? What obligation?
He earned a lead. What's with all the qualifiers which usually apply for riders who have a lead? Finally, I'm amused you dislike his personality and it seems to affect your overall impression of him. Can't separate the personality from the abilities and achievements on track, hence the qualifiers for why he had a lead?
How so?.

I don’t like Rossi’s past off track manipulation and occasional on-track chicanery.

I have never argued that he is other than a great rider, and at one time considered him the very greatest, and he is definitely/obviously a greater rider than my 2 recent favourites in Lorenzo and Stoner, and probably also better than my all time favourite rider in Mick Doohan. I give him full credit for all his titles and race wins (perhaps not Jerez 2005), but don’t award him titles he didn’t win, which is what was under discussion. He of course deserved his lead in 2015, he had been the best rider up till then, but the title is decided over the whole season and he wasn't good enough in the concluding races as I said. He rode amazingly that year particularly considering the stage in his career and quality of the opposition, and is still considerably better than respectable at age 40.

I have made no personal attacks btw, just disagreed with your opinion as you are obviously free to do and have done with mine.

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August 28th, 2019, 08:07 PM   #82
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Maybe Dainese could build a race suit for Vale that deploys excuses and boosts his level of entitlement everytime he doesn't win a championship but comes close?

*Removes tongue from cheek, sits back and grabs popcorn
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Maybe Dainese could build a race suit for Vale that deploys excuses and boosts his level of entitlement everytime he doesn't win a championship but comes close?

*Removes tongue from cheek, sits back and grabs popcorn


They need to run-it by Uccio first
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Silverstone 25 years ago. Lawson and Mamola duke it out almost every lap.
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That would be 35yrs ago.

Cracking race! Thanks.

It was the golden era for the American riders, wasn't it?
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That would be 35yrs ago.

Cracking race! Thanks.

It was the golden era for the American riders, wasn't it?
Math never was my strong suit.

But yes, it sure was. All the former flat track guys, Lawson, Roberts, Spencer, Rainey, Schwantz, Momola, Shobert et al. were just kicking ass left and right. So funny - in a way - to watch them now because the style where they put the knee down but barely bending at the waist is so clearly at that transition point where you can't miss the visual reference to their flat track technique. Tho I started watching VHS tapes of races around '82 - for me the circa '89 bikes have for me the archetypal look that says MotoGP, tho (and memory ain't what it was) I seem to recall the announcers called the 500cc class "Formula One" and the 250s "Formula 2". And the announcers themselves are pretty funny. They sound like doughty upper class Oxford grads announcing a game of golf.
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And the announcers themselves are pretty funny. They sound like doughty upper class Oxford grads announcing a game of golf.
That's Murray Walker you are talking about pal!
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