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August 27th, 2019, 10:22 AM   #71
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He has loads of yes men around him, probably more than any of the other riders. Who knows what he truly believes and how much koolaid he drinks.

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/new...vates-me-at-40
So - yes, if the interview is legit, he does seek the 10th championship grail. Can't fault a man for having a dream. But since we know it ain't going to happen, it's a hollow dream.

"It makes me laugh. If I'm not strong in a test, or I finish fourth,[I get told] I have to stop. It seems a bit extreme."

Not extreme - but when your results can only get worse, it's time open the seat to the next rider. Knowing that is acknowledging the natural order, although it's true that over the hill males do often remain dominant in the chimp family. Personally when I see those wildlife shows where eventually a young male pounds the shit out of the gray-haired alpha and kicks his ass out of the colony rather depressing. No pension, no 401K, no Social Security and relatives never come to visit. I expect one of the things that keeps Rossi going is the prospect of spending his days at the villa playing video games with Uccio.
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I’m not sure if it’s the language but the continued use of deserved rubbed me the wrong way. You don’t deserve a title for being runner up.
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Itís a shame Dovi had such a crap run of luck at Catalunya and Silverstone this year. Up until the last round he had accumulated more championship points than he had at the same point in in the 2017 season (that supposedly went right down to the wire).

To be honest I donít think Dovi could beat Marc this year given Marcís current form even if hypothetically Dovi had averted the bad luck of those two rounds but it would have made the championship way more exciting.
Marc has been really lucky this year and dovi the unlucky one. Could have been a 5 ride take out at barcelona, but marc just escaped.

Good to see yama back at it again, shame MV woke up late. Could have been a cool 3 way fight to the end. I dont think marc will crash 2 more times this year. lets hope yama can get in there now. Looking good. Misano and aragon should suit them really good.
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He has loads of yes men around him, probably more than any of the other riders. Who knows what he truly believes and how much koolaid he drinks.

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/new...vates-me-at-40
One particular yes man especially, who proudly announced himself to the world at large as the author of the PI 2015 conspiracy theory, Valentino himself apparently not having noticed during the race that MM was tanking in the process of winning.
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One particular yes man especially, who proudly announced himself to the world at large as the author of the PI 2015 conspiracy theory, Valentino himself apparently not having noticed during the race that MM was tanking in the process of winning.
Sad that he blindly believes that poisonous hanger on, I'm sure Uccio has his own agenda that supports his strategy of living comfortably while getting a free ride.

Love him or hate him, seeing Rossi this season get so excited about a front row start and from what I can tell genuinely enjoying the racing rather than bitterly obsessing about winning is refreshing to see.
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Iím not sure if itís the language but the continued use of deserved rubbed me the wrong way. You donít deserve a title for being runner up.
Thatís the whole thing, no-one deserves a title for being a close runner-up or by being a very popular ex-champion, a title win by whom would be ďgood for the sportĒ. If it had been conceded to him by Pedrosa, MM etc not trying to beat him in the end of season races in 2015, as some whom I tend to believe reported was his wish, it would have devalued all the titles he genuinely won imo. i was wont to argue to anti-Stoner Rossi fans that a rider as unpopular as Stoner winning titles was proof the sport is genuine.
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I can understand Rossi hanging in there if he loves it. Itís not like heís being consistently beaten by his younger teammate, a situation that I find surprising. I think the paddock and riders are admiring just how competitive Rossi is despite his years and the current level of competition where itís so easy to be fighting for a top 10 spot in one race while fighting for a podium spot in the previous race.

Rossi clearly loves his racing and continues to race for this reason. I donít know about the love for the media attention. If youíre extremely good and competitive in any endeavour, your own ability at self-assessing plays a huge role in your success. I therefore seriously doubt that Rossi is pandering to Ďyes mení around him when considering if and when to stop.

As to him Ďdeservingí the 2015 title, thatís all a matter of debate IMO. I thought he made a huge mistake in how he chose to deal with the difficulties he encountered during his 2015 championship campaign and his modus ended up working against him. However, I saw problems on both sides. Very messy, and I guess this forum must have been quite the circus in and around that time.
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Iím not sure if itís the language but the continued use of deserved rubbed me the wrong way. You donít deserve a title for being runner up.
Nah he was deffo implying he deserved 1 OR!! 2 titles more.

2015 (didn't have a real fighting chance, Lorenzo beat him fair and square) and 2006 (Without Edwards helping him and Dani Helping him too he wouldn't even have had a fighting chance either) should be his in his eyes.

The moment I start thinking lightly of this guy all i have to do is read an Article/Interview of him and its an easy path back to hate.
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I can understand Rossi hanging in there if he loves it. Itís not like heís being consistently beaten by his younger teammate, a situation that I find surprising. I think the paddock and riders are admiring just how competitive Rossi is despite his years and the current level of competition where itís so easy to be fighting for a top 10 spot in one race while fighting for a podium spot in the previous race.

Rossi clearly loves his racing and continues to race for this reason. I donít know about the love for the media attention. If youíre extremely good and competitive in any endeavour, your own ability at self-assessing plays a huge role in your success. I therefore seriously doubt that Rossi is pandering to Ďyes mení around him when considering if and when to stop.

As to him Ďdeservingí the 2015 title, thatís all a matter of debate IMO. I thought he made a huge mistake in how he chose to deal with the difficulties he encountered during his 2015 championship campaign and his modus ended up working against him. However, I saw problems on both sides. Very messy, and I guess this forum must have been quite the circus in and around that time.
So where is the debate ?. If he had won by proceeding in the latter races of the season as he had before then I would have acknowledged him as a well deserved winner even though as it would seem is the case with you in regard to Stoner and Lorenzo I don't like his personality.

He didn't win because he wasn't fast enough to beat the riders he needed to beat in those last races. He got his lead (imo) by riding really well, by Lorenzo riding less well (in fact mostly quite poorly) in an unusual number of wet races, by MM stupidly continuing to crash out because he couldn't accept not winning every race after he had pretty much done so in the preceding season, and to some extent because Pedrosa was slow or absent due to injury. I never saw how this meant that there was any obligation for the remaining races to be wet races, for MM to keep crashing, or for Pedrosa to continue to be injured or ride as if he was.

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So where is the debate ?. If he had won by proceeding in the latter races of the season as he had before then I would have acknowledged him as a well deserved winner even though as it would seem is the case with you in regard to Stoner and Lorenzo I don't like his personality.

He didn't win because he wasn't fast enough to beat the riders he needed to beat in those last races. He got his lead (imo) by riding really well, by Lorenzo riding less well (in fact mostly quite poorly) in an unusual number of wet races, by MM stupidly continuing to crash out because he couldn't accept not winning every race after he had pretty much done so in the preceding season, and to some extent because Pedrosa was slow or absent due to injury. I never saw how this meant that there was any obligation for the remaining races to be wet races, for MM to keep crashing, or for Pedrosa to continue to be injured or ride as if he was.
Obligation? What obligation?
He earned a lead. What's with all the qualifiers which usually apply for riders who have a lead? Finally, I'm amused you dislike his personality and it seems to affect your overall impression of him. Can't separate the personality from the abilities and achievements on track, hence the qualifiers for why he had a lead?
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