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August 26th, 2019, 06:39 PM   #61
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Championship 100% over now.We all know who will win it. Only battle for 2nd and 3rd thats interesting.
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Championship 100% over now.We all know who will win it. Only battle for 2nd and 3rd thats interesting.
Itís a shame Dovi had such a crap run of luck at Catalunya and Silverstone this year. Up until the last round he had accumulated more championship points than he had at the same point in in the 2017 season (that supposedly went right down to the wire).

To be honest I donít think Dovi could beat Marc this year given Marcís current form even if hypothetically Dovi had averted the bad luck of those two rounds but it would have made the championship way more exciting.
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That suggests that when a pocket is there to be picked he'll be up to his old tricks. Thing is, pockets might arrive now and then but he's lost something through age and can't pick them like he used to.

I kinda think of him as an aging alpha chimp. He doesn't pose a danger to the younger and stronger male at the top of the pecking order anymore, so he is tolerated so long as he doesn't cause a fuss.
Sure, he might very well be up to his old tricks if in genuine contention, but notwithstanding same I do think he is racing because he loves riding/racing at a still respectable level, as in 2013 when he wasn’t much in contention either.

Arguably he could be holding Yamaha back and someone younger would be better in his seat, although I don’t think Quatararo would have genuinely contended this year, and I don’t think Yamaha, currently anyway, are running their team to his advantage and Vinales’ disadvantage. He is risking injury, and obviously needs to face up to the finish of his career and getting on with the rest of his life at some stage.

As far as legacy I think the Ducati adventure is what cruelled things, and took him to the status of being one of the greats rather than on a tier above his predecessors. Continuing to race is probably not helping his overall rating vs MM, but probably doesn’t influence his standing vs Lawson, Doohan et al. If he had quit after the 2009 title he would still have had a strong argument probably even against MM.

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Sure, he might very well be up to his old tricks if in genuine contention, but notwithstanding same I do think he is racing because he loves riding/racing at a still respectable level, as in 2013 when he wasnít much in contention either.

Arguably he could be holding Yamaha back and someone younger would be better in his seat, although I donít think Quatararo would have genuinely contended this year, and I donít think Yamaha, currently anyway, are running their team to his advantage and Vinalesí disadvantage. He is risking injury, and obviously needs to face up to the finish of his career and getting on with the rest of his life at some stage.

As far as legacy I think the Ducati adventure is what cruelled things, and took him to the status of being one of the greats rather than on a tier above his predecessors. Continuing to race is probably not helping his overall rating vs MM, but probably doesnít influence his standing vs Lawson, Doohan et al. If he had quit after the 2009 title he would still have had a strong argument probably even against MM.
I think all the riders love racing or they wouldn't be there, even Stoner loved the racing (just not everything else that came with it).

I agree that Rossi continuing on after his Ducati experience and going on for close to 10 years now without winning a title will ultimately hurt his legacy. For the first half of his career he was much the unstoppable force Marc is today, if he had of ended his career after 2009 and on top, he would have been remembered like that.

Instead of being remembered for someone who then obsessively spent the next 10+ years (majority of his career) striving for that one more title and failing, getting all bitter and twisted in the process when he couldn't beat his younger and faster competition. I'm sure he is aware of this public perception of him just as he's aware he doesn't have a realistic chance of winning another title. He must really love racing to be giving it his best shot at the expense of tarnishing his 'all important' record tally, I give him heaps of credit for that.

This season I have even noticed the commentators not gushing about his achievements for 5 minutes every time one of the cameras pan into his general direction. I don't know if he will sign a new contract beyond his current one, a serious injury would have to get him contemplating retirement you would think?
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I think all the riders love racing or they wouldn't be there, even Stoner loved the racing (just not everything else that came with it).

I agree that Rossi continuing on after his Ducati experience and going on for close to 10 years now without winning a title will ultimately hurt his legacy. For the first half of his career he was much the unstoppable force Marc is today, if he had of ended his career after 2009 and on top, he would have been remembered like that.

Instead of being remembered for someone who then obsessively spent the next 10+ years (majority of his career) striving for that one more title and failing, getting all bitter and twisted in the process when he couldn't beat his younger and faster competition. I'm sure he is aware of this public perception of him just as he's aware he doesn't have a realistic chance of winning another title. He must really love racing to be giving it his best shot at the expense of tarnishing his 'all important' record tally, I give him heaps of credit for that.

This season I have even noticed the commentators not gushing about his achievements for 5 minutes every time one of the cameras pan into his general direction. I don't know if he will sign a new contract beyond his current one, a serious injury would have to get him contemplating retirement you would think?

To be completely honest, I never once heard Rossi spout "BUT I HAVE 9 TITLES" like his fans do.

I Just think he enjoys winning and wants to feel it again, pop a wheelie and kiss that stupid camera with his annoying ass wet lips.

He also likes the spot light and prooobably keeping his Yamaha seat away from some greedy young hands too.
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I think all the riders love racing or they wouldn't be there, even Stoner loved the racing (just not everything else that came with it).

I agree that Rossi continuing on after his Ducati experience and going on for close to 10 years now without winning a title will ultimately hurt his legacy. For the first half of his career he was much the unstoppable force Marc is today, if he had of ended his career after 2009 and on top, he would have been remembered like that.

Instead of being remembered for someone who then obsessively spent the next 10+ years (majority of his career) striving for that one more title and failing, getting all bitter and twisted in the process when he couldn't beat his younger and faster competition. I'm sure he is aware of this public perception of him just as he's aware he doesn't have a realistic chance of winning another title. He must really love racing to be giving it his best shot at the expense of tarnishing his 'all important' record tally, I give him heaps of credit for that.

This season I have even noticed the commentators not gushing about his achievements for 5 minutes every time one of the cameras pan into his general direction. I don't know if he will sign a new contract beyond his current one, a serious injury would have to get him contemplating retirement you would think?
That’s the thing. Had he retired after the 9th world title, something I still have a theory was his original intention, he like Marc now would be a guy who had never encountered a bike on which he couldn’t win races and eventually titles.

Instead he chased Ago’s shadow, in regard to whom few even among his rare detractors considered him to have anything to prove.
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To be completely honest, I never once heard Rossi spout "BUT I HAVE 9 TITLES" like his fans do.

I Just think he enjoys winning and wants to feel it again, pop a wheelie and kiss that stupid camera with his annoying ass wet lips.

He also likes the spot light and prooobably keeping his Yamaha seat away from some greedy young hands too.
To be honest I've never heard him say that either, it was Nick Harris that brought it up every time that familiar number 46 came into camera frame. The importance Rossi placed on his 10th title and the behaviour it brought out in him when he realised it was slipping from his grasp says more than enough for me. I lost a lot of respect for him during the tail end of 2015, it was clear then that it wasn't just about the racing and that there was some truth in the 'world record tally' GOAT media nonsense being talked about whether he admitted it openly or not.

He loves winning, I mean who doesn't if your racing. He loves the attention and spotlight, he will have the spotlight even after he retires because of his massive fanbase and ties to the sport. Yamaha know he wont win them another title, maybe not even another race. They would still resign him based on his fanbase and the brand recognition he brings them alone. He himself can finish the championship in 6th and probably still contribute to as many bike sales as a manufacturer who has just won the world championship.

It's good to see him giving it his all and still enjoying the racing whether he is winning or not.
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Sure, he might very well be up to his old tricks if in genuine contention, but notwithstanding same I do think he is racing because he loves riding/racing at a still respectable level, as in 2013 when he wasn’t much in contention either.

Arguably he could be holding Yamaha back and someone younger would be better in his seat, although I don’t think Quatararo would have genuinely contended this year, and I don’t think Yamaha, currently anyway, are running their team to his advantage and Vinales’ disadvantage. He is risking injury, and obviously needs to face up to the finish of his career and getting on with the rest of his life at some stage.

As far as legacy I think the Ducati adventure is what cruelled things, and took him to the status of being one of the greats rather than on a tier above his predecessors. Continuing to race is probably not helping his overall rating vs MM, but probably doesn’t influence his standing vs Lawson, Doohan et al. If he had quit after the 2009 title he would still have had a strong argument probably even against MM.
Not saying he "hates" racing - merely that the derived pleasure from his involvement is HUGELY diminished; much less satisfaction there. It's been shown in multiple studies that very few highly successful people look forward to retirement.

I could have retired 4 years ago - but I do what I do because I'm still as good at what I do as I was 15 years ago.

I do agree with latter posts that the whole 10th championship thing is likely an obsession that lives solely in the minds of the fans.
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I'm sure he is aware of this public perception of him just as he's aware he doesn't have a realistic chance of winning another title.
Iím not sure that he or any celebrities are truly aware of the publicís perception of them. They live in a bubble for the most part. Athletes often get surrounded by yes men, that on top of their self belief (which I question with Rossi given his vetoing of team mates etc.) often means they donít realise when their time is done or that they arenít good enough.

Itíll always be, if Yamaha give you a good bike next year Vale youíll dominate again. Youíre better now than you were a decade ago etc. the hangers on can either be blinded themselves or they can not want the ride to be over.
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Iím not sure that he or any celebrities are truly aware of the publicís perception of them. They live in a bubble for the most part. Athletes often get surrounded by yes men, that on top of their self belief (which I question with Rossi given his vetoing of team mates etc.) often means they donít realise when their time is done or that they arenít good enough.

Itíll always be, if Yamaha give you a good bike next year Vale youíll dominate again. Youíre better now than you were a decade ago etc. the hangers on can either be blinded themselves or they can not want the ride to be over.
He has loads of yes men around him, probably more than any of the other riders. Who knows what he truly believes and how much koolaid he drinks.

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/new...vates-me-at-40
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