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August 13th, 2019, 05:59 PM   #31
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To be honest kesh, you keep making references to Lorenzoís personality and taking digs that are ill founded to say the least.
Having met the man away from the track, he came across as friendly, funny and generous.
We were on holiday in a restaurant when he came in with his friends for coffee. Upon noticing my kids looking at him, he excused himself from his friends and came over and asked if he could sit with us. He chatted for quite a while, signing the kids #99 caps and shirts, then upon leaving had the waitress bring my kids two huge ice cream sundaes on his tab.
I get it he can be spiky at the track but thatís work for him, also to my knowledge heís never expected a team mate to help him to win a title, something that canít be said for Dovi this year. Iím disappointed with Dovi and thought he had more honour than to expect Petrux assist his title quest.
As for Lorenzo leaving Ducati, he didnít leave without serious worry and regret, he was (rightly so) castigated for poor performance and as good as told he was out after Le Mans. His call to HRC was an act of pretty much desperation to ensure he had a ride for 2019.
Dovi didnít want him in the team and no doubt had talks (as #1 rider would) with Ducati management to install Petrux as #2 and a willing assistant in the 2019 title quest.
I realise youíre intending your digs as dark humour, but sometimes youíre coming over as a bit of a hater. Something we on this forum have always disliked about a certain element of VR fans.
Please donít see this as any form of attack on you or your opinions, Iím just telling you an alternative view and my personal experience of Lorenzo.

Perceptions will differ. I don't take your observations personally.
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I did actually disagree with the Crashlow stuff if not as vehemtly as I have now in regard to Lorenzo, and never took part in it, being something of a Crutchlow fan apart from anything else. Cal is also not a top 10 all time premier class GP rider.

Libby also accords with Yamfanís view of Lorenzo off track btw. I agree Lorenzo should have let Dovi past in 2017, but this seems to have been spun into Lorenzo costing Dovi the title which it didnít. Both of them needed to finish in front of MM, and if I was Lorenzo and disliked Dovi I would probably only have let him past at the end of the race particularly if I considered Dovi to be benefiting from my improvement of the bike. The problem with your version of events is that Gigi who should know would appear to back Lorenzo. Lorenzo is also a guy who beat Stoner fair and square for titles, while Stoner was able to get off his fishing boat and smoke Dovi, which may have been formative in Gigiís view of things, and certainly Gigi at the time wanted Stoner to prove the true potential of his bike.
I've never said Lorenzo wasn't talented. That's not the issue. Never was. How he treats fans may or may not be an indication of his true nature. Most celebs are well versed in the art of virtue signalling and politesse, which is not a thing that concerns me. It's how they act on the track that concerns me. I've said before, many times, I'm happy to be proved wrong on stuff like this. As regards the relationship between Gigi and Dovi - we can speculate endlessly, but I'm really not big on gossip. Which is not to say I wouldn't love to be a fly on the wall with those two in the motorhome. Gigi's apparent preference for Lorenzo could be based on any number of personal predilections.
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I've never said Lorenzo wasn't talented. That's not the issue. Never was. How he treats fans may or may not be an indication of his true nature. Most celebs are well versed in the art of virtue signalling and politesse, which is not a thing that concerns me. It's how they act on the track that concerns me. I've said before, many times, I'm happy to be proved wrong on stuff like this. As regards the relationship between Gigi and Dovi - we can speculate endlessly, but I'm really not big on gossip. Which is not to say I wouldn't love to be a fly on the wall with those two in the motorhome. Gigi's apparent preference for Lorenzo could be based on any number of personal predilections.


You say well versed in virtue signaling and politesse buddy, thatís all well in the public eye and in front of tv cameras and the press.
My family of four, the restaurant owner and a waitress, plus Lorenzo and five friends were the only ones in this small Spanish restaurant.
It was around 6 years ago.
Lorenzo has absolutely no reason to even acknowledge us, apart from he saw my kids excitement and shirts. I assure you it was a genuine gesture that my kids will never forget or tire of telling others.
Half the bullshit about Lorenzo has been invented by pro VR press, tv media and fans who are sore he and Stoner stopped VRís run of titles. To this day some still hate them, including some of my friends who freely admit this fact, oh and Marquez too
Gigiís preference for Lorenzo stems back to the working together during his 250 days with Aprilia, where together they developed the bike to a regular championship winning machine. Itís said Gigi rates Lorenzo immensely as a development rider whoís feedback is totally accurate.
Who knows, others may differ big time...

This is interesting too

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...t-motogp-glory

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Lorenzo has absolutely no reason to even acknowledge us, apart from he saw my kids excitement and shirts. I assure you it was a genuine gesture that my kids will never forget or tire of telling others.
Half the bullshit about Lorenzo has been invented by pro VR press, tv media and fans who are sore he and Stoner stopped VR’s run of titles.
I have a close friend who has had similar experiences with Jorge more than once. Him and his wife as a result are huge fans and wish the wider fan base could see more of "the real him".

However my friend, his wife and I all agree that Jorge does himself no favours. His frequent cringeworthy attempts to ingratiate himself with the public are what has caused his lack of mainstream fandom, not the biased media. He, like others in many walks of life, was too keen to create an image that isn't real and his attempts to do so have always been transparent. Jorge never understood that Rossi isn't the blueprint for popularity, just one method of gaining it, and imitating him was just never going to work.

I've really warmed to him in recent years as he had become more comfortable in himself, and as a result shown that he has a certain nobility of character that is actually quite rare. In his formative years this came across as arrogance but in reality he has grown into what now seems to have been maturity disguised as self importance.
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I've never said Lorenzo wasn't talented. That's not the issue. Never was. How he treats fans may or may not be an indication of his true nature. Most celebs are well versed in the art of virtue signalling and politesse, which is not a thing that concerns me. It's how they act on the track that concerns me. I've said before, many times, I'm happy to be proved wrong on stuff like this. As regards the relationship between Gigi and Dovi - we can speculate endlessly, but I'm really not big on gossip. Which is not to say I wouldn't love to be a fly on the wall with those two in the motorhome. Gigi's apparent preference for Lorenzo could be based on any number of personal predilections.
Is there any truth to the Dovi/Gigi rumour? Most rumours even if wrong have some sliver of truth behind them but Im honestly not sure on this one, there are so many going around at the moment I'm genuinely unsure and unshocked. The 'amicable to the observer but underlying tension' media portrait of the situation can be hard to spot when not so obvious and not looking for it.
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Good to see you have let things go. You should learn from the new bread of motogp riders and give up.
Dubs, good to see ya man but shame that the comment you referenced is what it took to bring you back as for me, the opinions of many who have left this place are sadly missed. It is not what it once was.



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To be honest kesh, you keep making references to Lorenzoís personality and taking digs that are ill founded to say the least.
Having met the man away from the track, he came across as friendly, funny and generous.
We were on holiday in a restaurant when he came in with his friends for coffee. Upon noticing my kids looking at him, he excused himself from his friends and came over and asked if he could sit with us. He chatted for quite a while, signing the kids #99 caps and shirts, then upon leaving had the waitress bring my kids two huge ice cream sundaes on his tab.
I get it he can be spiky at the track but thatís work for him, also to my knowledge heís never expected a team mate to help him to win a title, something that canít be said for Dovi this year. Iím disappointed with Dovi and thought he had more honour than to expect Petrux assist his title quest.
As for Lorenzo leaving Ducati, he didnít leave without serious worry and regret, he was (rightly so) castigated for poor performance and as good as told he was out after Le Mans. His call to HRC was an act of pretty much desperation to ensure he had a ride for 2019.
Dovi didnít want him in the team and no doubt had talks (as #1 rider would) with Ducati management to install Petrux as #2 and a willing assistant in the 2019 title quest.
I realise youíre intending your digs as dark humour, but sometimes youíre coming over as a bit of a hater. Something we on this forum have always disliked about a certain element of VR fans.
Please donít see this as any form of attack on you or your opinions, Iím just telling you an alternative view and my personal experience of Lorenzo.
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I have a close friend who has had similar experiences with Jorge more than once. Him and his wife as a result are huge fans and wish the wider fan base could see more of "the real him".

However my friend, his wife and I all agree that Jorge does himself no favours. His frequent cringeworthy attempts to ingratiate himself with the public are what has caused his lack of mainstream fandom, not the biased media. He, like others in many walks of life, was too keen to create an image that isn't real and his attempts to do so have always been transparent. Jorge never understood that Rossi isn't the blueprint for popularity, just one method of gaining it, and imitating him was just never going to work.

I've really warmed to him in recent years as he had become more comfortable in himself, and as a result shown that he has a certain nobility of character that is actually quite rare. In his formative years this came across as arrogance but in reality he has grown into what now seems to have been maturity disguised as self importance.

Let me third this.

I have a pretty good friend who has paddock access at many Australian events including MotoGP, WSBK and the PI Classic as he is an avid enthusiast and has been involved in the local racing scene for 50 or so years.

He openly admits that he has good relationship with many riders via Facebook, phones and other manner of communication, so feel free to take his opinion as worthless.

But, he relays many stories of Jorge and his genuine personality, including having Jorge seek him out to take him into the Ducati garage a few years back at PI practice after they had met years before (via media) and on Jorge seeing my mate walking around the public area.

Point is, I hear way more good stories of Jorge's public dealings than I do of most other riders (admittedly I do not hear heaps of stories, just some) and every person I have met who has met him or had dealings all speak very highly of his genuine interest in their conversation and the approachable manner
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Dubs, good to see ya man but shame that the comment you referenced is what it took to bring you back as for me, the opinions of many who have left this place are sadly missed. It is not what it once was.







Good to see you still around brotha. I came back just to check the latest about the shit going down. First thing I see is oil mentioning water. I don't think I can come back here again until motogp brings back cigarettes, whiskey, and big ass titties.
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You say well versed in virtue signaling and politesse buddy, thatís all well in the public eye and in front of tv cameras and the press.
My family of four, the restaurant owner and a waitress, plus Lorenzo and five friends were the only ones in this small Spanish restaurant.
It was around 6 years ago.
Lorenzo has absolutely no reason to even acknowledge us, apart from he saw my kids excitement and shirts. I assure you it was a genuine gesture that my kids will never forget or tire of telling others.
Half the bullshit about Lorenzo has been invented by pro VR press, tv media and fans who are sore he and Stoner stopped VRís run of titles. To this day some still hate them, including some of my friends who freely admit this fact, oh and Marquez too
Gigiís preference for Lorenzo stems back to the working together during his 250 days with Aprilia, where together they developed the bike to a regular championship winning machine. Itís said Gigi rates Lorenzo immensely as a development rider whoís feedback is totally accurate.
Who knows, others may differ big time...

This is interesting too

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...t-motogp-glory
Re: Ducati fucking around Miller; not surprising. Corporate douchebags are by definition all about the bottom line, and when things are done by committee all the worse as there's not a singular mindset as to what will be beneficial. Ethically - they should honor their agreement with Miller, but practically - Lorenzo might be the way to go, especially if it keeps Gigi's creative juices flowing. I totally feel for Miller.

Re: the whole Lorenzo is a nice guy thing, I don't claim by way of watching him in interviews to have deep insight into his entire being. So I'm willing to give credence to the possibility that he's more well rounded than he appears. I fight back cynicism but try to maintain a reasonable degree of skepticism. I toured with a very famous singer for 12 years who the general public believe to be a genuine saint, who is in private life quite narcissistic and a serial womanizer, who even managed to get his ass in trouble with the FBI for his part in a money laundering scheme. He too was great with other people's kids and put on a great show of being Mr. Nice Guy because it bolstered his public image. I've seen this dynamic repeatedly with clients in the music business over the years so I take this kind of stuff with a grain of salt.
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I go un-noticed but was around here back in the day.

Gotta admit there was a bunch of snobs who thought this was there private play field and were in their entitlement to talk down on the newer members....who didn't like Rossi.

Really sucked to be honest.

Especially this one guy who i can't remember the name.

Said he had a....pussy wagon?

I do remember reading Jumkies essays though, that was nice.
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Lol you hate this guy more than Pigs loves Rossi.

I know he's a dick and has always been one but Stoner liked him so I kinda give him the benefit of the doubt because of that.

Remember in 2011 when he chopped a finger off and the only guy to visit him at the clinic was Stoner?

Must have something to get ANY sympathy out of Casey right?
Not to be just on contradiction auto-pilot, but that may say a lot more about Stoner than it does about Lorenzo. I always thought of Stoner as the nicest guy in the paddock. I'd like to think of myself as the guy who would reach out to even my worst enemy when they're laid low; so I can very much relate to that kind of humanistic impulse.

Who knows Lorenzo better than his fellow racers? There must be some reason why nobody else reached out to him in that traumatic time.

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