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August 13th, 2019, 05:50 AM   #21
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That last sentence points out the horrible nature of being a sportsmen Dovi is better than everybody but letís say 10 people currently living will or have ever been but he has barely anymore chance of winning a motogp title at the other 6 or 7 billion people in the world.
Dovi may win a title this year IF Marc loses it. Same may be said for next year also. I doubt Dovi has a Ducati contract beyond 2020.
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He has 5 more titles than you have, and 4 more than Dovi including the 3 premier class titles, with Dovi scarcely more likely to win one of the latter than you are.
Your point being?
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No new bike. But rumor has it that Alpinestars is developing a Lorenzo limited edition set of leathers with sophisticated electronics that sense when he gets ejected from the bike and instantly turns into a full body cast and dispenses lollipops.
Lol you hate this guy more than Pigs loves Rossi.

I know he's a dick and has always been one but Stoner liked him so I kinda give him the benefit of the doubt because of that.

Remember in 2011 when he chopped a finger off and the only guy to visit him at the clinic was Stoner?

Must have something to get ANY sympathy out of Casey right?
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Lol you hate this guy more than Pigs loves Rossi.

I know he's a dick and has always been one but Stoner liked him so I kinda give him the benefit of the doubt because of that.

Remember in 2011 when he chopped a finger off and the only guy to visit him at the clinic was Stoner?

Must have something to get ANY sympathy out of Casey right?
Ha ha, nahh I don't really hate on him. I've been kind of reacting (and maybe channeling a little Jumkie) to what seems to me a lot of over-lionizing of Lorenzo with folks who seem to believe he should have been kept on as #1 Rider at Ducati with Dovi in the doghouse. If he's a prickly self-entitled little sourpuss that is, I don't know, genetics, or upbringing or whatever, (watch out - here comes the "Cod Psychology" label) and is not I imagine, a mantle he consciously set out to wear. Given the end result of the Rossi/Ducati debacle, I figured he was pretty gutsy to jump into that mix. I was disappointed that he didn't fight to stay on Ducati and make his mark there. Also - I thought it was suicidely stupid to jump to the Honda given it's known characteristics and the fate of all the recent Honda riders not named Marquez. In the end - I don't think I've ever really hated any rider. I sure as hell never root for any rider to fail. If Lorenzo makes a real come-back on either the HRC or Ducati I'll enjoy seeing that as much as anyone.

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Your point being?
He is actually a top 10 rider all time, and you touch on a major reason why I actually came to admire him, the guy is a tough bastard who defended each of his titles to the absolute limit, came back from career threatening concussion before he ever won a premier class title, incredibly rode after fracturing a clavicle and having it plated, etc. You are the last person I would have expected to joke about riders falling off, particularly a guy who has been an all time great currently out injured for a prolonged period perhaps with his career in question. My animus against Rossi was always directed at his off track manipulations and occasional on track chicanery and hypocrisy in regard to the latter. I have never doubted his quality as a rider, but even he found a bike he couldn’t ride, which said more about Ducati’s bike and about Stoner than it did about him, and I think a similar conclusion can be drawn about Jorge on the Honda. Everybody has been falling off the recent Hondas for years, including MM outside of race days, and he is quite probably the greatest ever; this is the one thing which gives your boy Dovi a chance of a title as has been said. Dovi was also mediocre for a number of years before finally getting to his current level on the Ducati, there was some question whether they kept him or Iannone as I recall.
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He is actually a top 10 rider all time, and you touch on a major reason why I actually came to admire him, the guy is a tough bastard who defended each of his titles to the absolute limit, came back from career threatening concussion before he ever won a premier class title, incredibly rode after fracturing a clavicle and having it plated, etc. You are the last person I would have expected to joke about riders falling off, particularly a guy who has been an all time great currently out injured for a prolonged period perhaps with his career in question. My animus against Rossi was always directed at his off track manipulations and occasional on track chicanery and hypocrisy in regard to the latter. I have never doubted his quality as a rider, but even he found a bike he couldnít ride, which said more about Ducatiís bike and about Stoner than it did about him, and I think a similar conclusion can be drawn about Jorge on the Honda. Everybody has been falling off the recent Hondas for years, including MM outside of race days, and he is quite probably the greatest ever; this is the one thing which gives your boy Dovi a chance of a title as has been said. Dovi was also mediocre for a number of years before finally getting to his current level on the Ducati, there was some question whether they kept him or Iannone as I recall.
No harm in a bit of forum based black humor about the repeated crashes he's had that have made him largely useless to the overall team effort for points scoring by way of absence; a bit of schadenfreude as it were, in light of his (perceived) Napoleon-like sense of snitty self-entitlement. I would say - BTW - that I don't recall you getting all up in arms when everybody on the forum took to referring to Cal as "Crashlow". It's nothing but 1s and 0s floating around on the interweb and of no consequence to Lorenzo.
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Ha ha, nahh I don't really hate on him. I've been kind of reacting (and maybe channeling a little Jumkie) to what seems to me a lot of over-lionizing of Lorenzo with folks who seem to believe he should have been kept on as #1 Rider at Ducati with Dovi in the doghouse. If he's a prickly self-entitled little sourpuss that is, I don't know, genetics, or upbringing or whatever, (watch out - here comes the "Cod Psychology" label) and is not I imagine, a mantle he consciously set out to wear. Given the end result of the Rossi/Ducati debacle, I figured he was pretty gutsy to jump into that mix. I was disappointed that he didn't fight to stay on Ducati and make his mark there. Also - I thought it was suicidely stupid to jump to the Honda given it's known characteristics and the fate of all the recent Honda riders not named Marquez. In the end - I don't think I've ever really hated any rider. I sure as hell never root for any rider to fail. If Lorenzo makes a real come-back on either the HRC or Ducati I'll enjoy seeing that as much as anyone.
Good to see you have let things go. You should learn from the new bread of motogp riders and give up.
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Good to see you have let things go. You should learn from the new bread of motogp riders and give up.
Once again in your rush to lay on a gotcha you manage to perceive malice where none exists and (big surprise) fail reading comprehension 101. The reference to Jum was an homage. As to to the other part. . . I've been gluten free for years.
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No harm in a bit of forum based black humor about the repeated crashes he's had that have made him largely useless to the overall team effort for points scoring by way of absence; a bit of schadenfreude as it were, in light of his (perceived) Napoleon-like sense of snitty self-entitlement. I would say - BTW - that I don't recall you getting all up in arms when everybody on the forum took to referring to Cal as "Crashlow". It's nothing but 1s and 0s floating around on the interweb and of no consequence to Lorenzo.


To be honest kesh, you keep making references to Lorenzoís personality and taking digs that are ill founded to say the least.
Having met the man away from the track, he came across as friendly, funny and generous.
We were on holiday in a restaurant when he came in with his friends for coffee. Upon noticing my kids looking at him, he excused himself from his friends and came over and asked if he could sit with us. He chatted for quite a while, signing the kids #99 caps and shirts, then upon leaving had the waitress bring my kids two huge ice cream sundaes on his tab.
I get it he can be spiky at the track but thatís work for him, also to my knowledge heís never expected a team mate to help him to win a title, something that canít be said for Dovi this year. Iím disappointed with Dovi and thought he had more honour than to expect Petrux assist his title quest.
As for Lorenzo leaving Ducati, he didnít leave without serious worry and regret, he was (rightly so) castigated for poor performance and as good as told he was out after Le Mans. His call to HRC was an act of pretty much desperation to ensure he had a ride for 2019.
Dovi didnít want him in the team and no doubt had talks (as #1 rider would) with Ducati management to install Petrux as #2 and a willing assistant in the 2019 title quest.
I realise youíre intending your digs as dark humour, but sometimes youíre coming over as a bit of a hater. Something we on this forum have always disliked about a certain element of VR fans.
Please donít see this as any form of attack on you or your opinions, Iím just telling you an alternative view and my personal experience of Lorenzo.
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No harm in a bit of forum based black humor about the repeated crashes he's had that have made him largely useless to the overall team effort for points scoring by way of absence; a bit of schadenfreude as it were, in light of his (perceived) Napoleon-like sense of snitty self-entitlement. I would say - BTW - that I don't recall you getting all up in arms when everybody on the forum took to referring to Cal as "Crashlow". It's nothing but 1s and 0s floating around on the interweb and of no consequence to Lorenzo.
I did actually disagree with the Crashlow stuff if not as vehemently as I have now in regard to Lorenzo, and never took part in it, being something of a Crutchlow fan apart from anything else. Cal is also not a top 10 all time premier class GP rider.

Libby also accords with Yamfan’s view of Lorenzo off track btw. I agree Lorenzo should have let Dovi past in 2017, but this seems to have been spun into Lorenzo costing Dovi the title which it didn’t. Both of them needed to finish in front of MM, and if I was Lorenzo and disliked Dovi I would probably only have let him past at the end of the race particularly if I considered Dovi to be benefiting from my improvement of the bike. The problem with your version of events is that Gigi who should know would appear to back Lorenzo. Lorenzo is also a guy who beat Stoner fair and square for titles, while Stoner was able to get off his fishing boat and smoke Dovi, which may have been formative in Gigi’s view of things, and certainly Gigi at the time wanted Stoner to prove the true potential of his bike.
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