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August 6th, 2019, 01:55 PM   #61
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Rumors: Gigi Dall'igna may exchange Ducati for KTM.


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We can already say that the Ducati season did not start as planned in MotoGP, the inconsistency in the results of the GP19 desmosedici ended up creating a tense atmosphere inside the rossa garage.

In the team there is a mood of frustration, the last race in Sachsenring has highlighted some weaknesses: Steering, the bike suffers in winding stretches where normally Yamaha and Suzuki are highly strong, where Honda can also play its very well done role. .

Given this situation Danilo Petrucci said: It is very worrying that both in Assen and here we lose half a second per lap for the winner. The Italian was more emphatic: "We probably hit the bike limit."

Dovizioso on Petrucci's side said the team had been facing this same cornering problem for over four years. He said a new approach is needed to address this problem.

All this trouble falls on the lap of none other than Gigi Dall'igna, the father of desmosedici today. In Italy, journalist Maurizio Bruscolini reported that Gigi is losing patience, even thinking about seeking new horizons for a new project, the destination would be the well-heeled KTM.

It is too early to say what will happen at Ducati, but it is not from today that Gigi has been ignored for the team's top summit, here are some of the points that displeased the man in the Rossa garage:

- In 2016 Gigi went against Iannone's departure
- In 2018 Gigi was against Jorge Lorenzo's departure
- Following Jorge Lorenzo's departure, Gigi stated that Dovizioso had no ability to be world champion.
- Today Gigi and Dovi are not so friends in the Ducati pits, just the basics.

Taking into account these internal facts and which currently the two official pilots chorus against the current Ducati project it is possible to see some disunity in the Italian team's pits. May the next scenes of this novel come.

I think they can easily get Dall’Igna if they put enough money on the table. Which is precisely the one thing KTM is good at..
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I think they can easily get Dall’Igna if they put enough money on the table. Which is precisely the one thing KTM is good at..
Sure. Personally I don't think this is a good ideia for him, throwing away 5+ years of hard work to start all over again in a factory where there is also traditions to follow like the tubular trellis crap frame.

KTM is such a dreamers land where they think all they need is money to make things that no one else got it to work. Much has been said about all their "power" and all that non-sense hype "omg KTM will destroy bla bla" but weekend in weekend out they barely sum a point with that piece of crap that resembles the firsts iterations of the Desmosedici.
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Sure. Personally I don't think this is a good ideia for him, throwing away 5+ years of hard work to start all over again in a factory where there is also traditions to follow like the tubular trellis crap frame.

KTM is such a dreamers land where they think all they need is money to make things that no one else got it to work. Much has been said about all their "power" and all that non-sense hype "omg KTM will destroy bla bla" but weekend in weekend out they barely sum a point with that piece of crap that resembles the firsts iterations of the Desmosedici.
Suzuki in their second year back in the series scored 3 x podiums and a race win... If they didn't drop both of their riders at exactly the same time (ultimate face palm moment) so early in the bikes development phase they would be in an even stronger position than they are now.

KTM's best result after 2 season and a lot more money spent was a one off podium in Valencia, they then have the front to beat their chest, go on record and criticise Ducati (champion ship runner's up) for dropping their steel frame.... KTM have deep pockets but they are all bark and no bite.
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Sure. Personally I don't think this is a good ideia for him, throwing away 5+ years of hard work to start all over again in a factory where there is also traditions to follow like the tubular trellis crap frame.

KTM is such a dreamers land where they think all they need is money to make things that no one else got it to work. Much has been said about all their "power" and all that non-sense hype "omg KTM will destroy bla bla" but weekend in weekend out they barely sum a point with that piece of crap that resembles the firsts iterations of the Desmosedici.
I couldn’t agree more with all of the above
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I couldn’t agree more with all of the above
KTM continue to be fairly close to irrelevant in the premier class.

I have always loved the Ducati bikes and they have been my default team to support since they entered the premier class, but it is hard to find words to describe the management of their motogp team over the years. Incompetent and vindictive spring to mind. Domenicali is starting to make the Marlboro man look good. They have parted ways on terms which can hardly be described as good with 3 top 10 all time riders including their best performed rider and only motogp world champion it would appear twice now, were petty much reviled by their great Australian superbike rider who returned to ride to his one-off win only on condition he could bring his superbike crew, sent Marco Melandri to a shrink rather than consider that their bike might be flawed, burned the engineer who somehow designed a bike that won a world title despite being pretty much cobbled together in a shed, now appear to be unhappy with Gigi and he with them, and the list goes on.
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Suzuki in their second year back in the series scored 3 x podiums and a race win... If they didn't drop both of their riders at exactly the same time (ultimate face palm moment) so early in the bikes development phase they would be in an even stronger position than they are now.

KTM's best result after 2 season and a lot more money spent was a one off podium in Valencia, they then have the front to beat their chest, go on record and criticise Ducati (champion ship runner's up) for dropping their steel frame.... KTM have deep pockets but they are all bark and no bite.
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KTM continue to be fairly close to irrelevant in the premier class.

I have always loved the Ducati bikes and they have been my default team to support since they entered the premier class, but it is hard to find words to describe the management of their motogp team over the years. Incompetent and vindictive spring to mind. Domenicali is starting to make the Marlboro man look good. They have parted ways on terms which can hardly be described as good with 3 top 10 all time riders including their best performed rider and only motogp world champion it would appear twice now, were petty much reviled by their great Australian superbike rider who returned to ride to his one-off win only on condition he could bring his superbike crew, sent Marco Melandri to a shrink rather than consider that their bike might be flawed, burned the engineer who somehow designed a bike that won a world title despite being pretty much cobbled together in a shed, now appear to be unhappy with Gigi and he with them, and the list goes on.
Suzuki possibly is the best team on money efficiency. With a budget around "20 bucks" they managed to build a very competitive package giving Yamaha a run for its money. When I take a look at the Suzuki overall picture and the history of Yamaha success, I get to the conclusion that indeed a bike that turns is the best way to go. Not that it's the only thing needed, in fact a powerful engine makes a lot of difference in the lap time (as long as it efficiently transfer the power to the ground), but with such a friendly machine you can fight for the win with whatever rider you have for. Since there is not much Stoners and Marquezes around there, I think is most intelligent to invest in a Lorenzo-like machine.

Given that, I sincerely do not get the point why Dalligna didn't focus to sort out this issue with all his commitment yet. I agree with him that with Dubioso no team in the world can look for the title, no matter the bike, and I see all his difficulties handling debiloid Domenicali shitting all over the places, but man, since 2003 all their riders complain about the exactly same problem, the bike just can't get around a corner, so WTF.... it's more than clear they need a fucking bike that can turn a fucking corner decently!!!

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To make it turn better they have to make it shorter. Making bike shorter has negative impact on acceleration. Can't have both the same time.
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It’s pretty crazy really when you think about it. Especially when they were struggling to get a podium. Now I think Gigi May be stuck between a rock and a hard place though. If he can get the bike to turn better then it will lose something either in the acceleration or braking. That is what has made the Ducati so hard to race against for the other manufacturers. It’s their strong points which have caused Marquez, Rins and others to make mistakes when racing the Ducati. If they lose a little in their strong points but gain in the cornering I’m not sure that Petrucci and Dovi get the same results that they’ve had over the past few years.
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It’s pretty crazy really when you think about it. Especially when they were struggling to get a podium. Now I think Gigi May be stuck between a rock and a hard place though. If he can get the bike to turn better then it will lose something either in the acceleration or braking. That is what has made the Ducati so hard to race against for the other manufacturers. It’s their strong points which have caused Marquez, Rins and others to make mistakes when racing the Ducati. If they lose a little in their strong points but gain in the cornering I’m not sure that Petrucci and Dovi get the same results that they’ve had over the past few years.
Absolutely. I am hardly the biggest Rossi fan on here, but if you could ride the 2007 Ducati as the bike wanted to be ridden as Stoner put it and managed to do, then no-one could defeat that bike on a 2007 Yamaha, even Valentino Rossi who didn't fail to win the title that year because of deficiencies in his riding.

I would have thought Gigi's current frustration may at least partly relate to the fact that he got to a stage where a decidedly non Marquez or Stoner-like rider in Jorge dominated a few races on a Ducati which allowed him to employ his "butter hammer" mode fairly full-on, but he is gone and the bike seems to have gone away with him.
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