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August 9th, 2019, 07:30 AM   #91
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It's not all the bike, it's Marc's skills + the RCV that's been developed for his unique style and abilities. Marc + M1 or Marc + GP20 may not be the same formula for success. You're trying to turn this into some kind of Rossi debate because you cannot really argue that you know for a fact that Marquez can dominate on another bike. You may be shocked if Marc does eventually decide to switch bikes that he could struggle to find speed.
Not saying it's "fact". But to anyone who's watched this guy as long as we all have (and that's including you) - the educated postulate says he would do it. Not actually daring you to put up money . . . but asking you to ask yourself; If you had to bet everything on his success or failure on the Duc, would you bet against him?

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So the guy who adapted from a moto2 bike to a motogp bike and won a championship in his first year, rode the 16, 17, 18 and 19 bikes in quite different ways because of their relative strengths and weaknesses to the field couldn’t adapt to a bike requires him to ride in the same or similar ways that he has had to ride previously to win?

He wouldn’t succeed at KTM or Aprilia but that has nothing to do with his talent.
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Not saying it's "fact". But to anyone who's watched this guy as long as we all have (and that's including you) - the educated postulate says he would do it. Not actually daring you to put up money . . . but asking you to ask yourself; If you had to bet everything on his success or failure on the Duc, would you bet against him?
I wouldn't bet that Marc would win a championship his first year on the Duc.
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I wouldn't bet that Marc would win a championship his first year on the Duc.
I would haha. I mean really who looks strong enough to challenge him? He rode around with one arm flapping around in it socket last year and still made everyone else look like they were in the wrong class.
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I would haha. I mean really who looks strong enough to challenge him? He rode around with one arm flapping around in it socket last year and still made everyone else look like they were in the wrong class.
I just don't see him adapting to the Duc fast enough to win the first year. I also think he would DNF too much trying to push the bike and not being able to save it like he can the RCV.
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Hypothetically speaking who is fast and consistent enough to capitalise upon his early season adaption? In my view he would already have a race win or two under his belt and a few podiums by Brno.

He is clearly the most adaptable rider on the grid in my opinion. I just don't see that there is anyone out there who can string together enough wins to dominate before Marc truly arrives in the 2nd half of the season.
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Hypothetically speaking who is fast and consistent enough to capitalise upon his early season adaption? In my view he would already have a race win or two under his belt and a few podiums by Brno.

He is clearly the most adaptable rider on the grid in my opinion. I just don't see that there is anyone out there who can string together enough wins to dominate before Marc truly arrives in the 2nd half of the season.
Possibly Lorenzo if he's back on a Duc. I'd like to see Quartararo on a factory M1, I think he could be a challenge. I agree that currently Marc is the only rider showing great consistency.
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Hypothetically speaking who is fast and consistent enough to capitalise upon his early season adaption? In my view he would already have a race win or two under his belt and a few podiums by Brno.

He is clearly the most adaptable rider on the grid in my opinion. I just don't see that there is anyone out there who can string together enough wins to dominate before Marc truly arrives in the 2nd half of the season.
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Possibly Lorenzo if he's back on a Duc. I'd like to see Quartararo on a factory M1, I think he could be a challenge. I agree that currently Marc is the only rider showing great consistency.
Possibly Lorenzo? Too late. He didn't accomplish shit in the first season and crashed a lot in the 2nd. You only get one first season in anything.

As great Stoner fan as I am - I easily acknowledge Marquez's superiority. And if Stoner could pull it off on the shitty 2007 bike, Marquez could do it on the more powerful and more refined 2020 bike. The math adds up.
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I just don't see him adapting to the Duc fast enough to win the first year. I also think he would DNF too much trying to push the bike and not being able to save it like he can the RCV.
It’s all speculation until he does it, that’s true. But If Jorge has shown anything its that it is taking him longer to tame the RCV compared to the GP17 and 18. Yes everyone has a different riding style and the Honda has been largely developed around Marc’s needs. But If I had to compare the two bikes based on Jorge performance being new to them both and the results of others riding the same bikes... I’d say the Ducati is the more forgiving of the two bikes from a riders perspective. Marc also seems a rider able to adapt to change well hence his consistent performance across classes, different iterations of the same bike, different tyres and changing track conditions.

I’d love to see Marc on a Ducati and think if anyone is capable of winning a championship on it in their first year it would be him.
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Frankly - I don't see how Lorenzo can be said to have surpassed Dovi on the Ducati. Remember, who it was that was lead rider during the worst of the fallow years at Ducati (after Rossi fucked off) working with Gigi to turn the bike around. Lorenzo (and other Duc riders as well) benefitted greatly from all the testing and feedback from Dovi that made the bike as capable as it is now.
Sorry Kesh but I reckon this development side that is attributed to Dovi is somewhat of a misnomer.

Yes, no doubt he had ideas and contributed feedback for the machine, some likely improved and some that were likely consigned to the scrapheap of experience.

But it is unfailingly true to also state that the Ducati improved largely when Gabbarini returned, with Stoner as the test rider but I feel more importantly with Lorenzo as the main team rider.

If we look at the facts, Dovi had only had 1 win, 12 seconds and 4 thirds in his 4 years on the factory bike prior to the arrival of Gabbarini who I feel is the unsung one here. Those statistics match those that have seen many people call for other riders heads for years (Pedrosa anyone). Now, in 2017 not just did Gabbarini return but Lorenzo came and in the ensuing 2 years, Dovi's results peaked such that he was now a contender (10xfirst, 17xsecond and 2xthird) so he more than doubled his return when JL was present.

JL has now gone and Dovi on a year to date has 1xwin and 5 second places which is not bad, but also not that which he was achieving with Lorenzo present in the team.

For mine, Dovi peaked on the back of the work done by Gabbarini, Lorenzo and lesser to Stoner with the test riding which put a rocket up them when Stoner was faster .

If we are to criticise the developmental skills/contributions of a Rossi as we do in this place all based on decreasing results, the same set of rules should apply and for me, I see Dovi as a benficiary of others good work that elicited a drive in him.

May well be harsh, but he is no Lorenzo and I personally suspect that Lorenzo this year on a Ducati would have placed any doubt into the garbage
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