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July 12th, 2019, 11:56 AM   #31
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The sport now caters to dwarfs and midgets. Not a lot of black guys under 5'5" that are passionate about motorcycle racing & have the potential to get to the top level. There's guys like Rickey Gadson, but he's 5'11" and chose to get into drag racing bikes.

Because of the way the bikes keep getting smaller with better electronics, I think we'll see a woman make it on the GP grid eventually. It will always be physically demanding to ride a GP bike, but there are female athletes with more strength and endurance than any current GP rider so it's not the physical aspect that's holding them back. It's just a matter of a woman with the right physical traits developing the skill and having the desire to aggressively compete (a lack of testosterone makes that difficult).
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What debate??? Just saying it would be good for the sport if it were more inclusive. I haven't noted anybody here disagreeing with that idea. Does discussing the idea of non-whites in MotoGp make you uncomfortable?

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What debate??? Just saying it would be good for the sport if it were more inclusive. I haven't noted anybody here disagreeing with that idea. Does discussing the idea of non-whites in MotoGp make you uncomfortable?
black people not being interested in riding motorbikes does not make MotoGP less inclusive. Maybe you meant diverse.
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The sport now caters to dwarfs and midgets. Not a lot of black guys under 5'5" that are passionate about motorcycle racing & have the potential to get to the top level. There's guys like Rickey Gadson, but he's 5'11" and chose to get into drag racing bikes.

Because of the way the bikes keep getting smaller with better electronics, I think we'll see a woman make it on the GP grid eventually. It will always be physically demanding to ride a GP bike, but there are female athletes with more strength and endurance than any current GP rider so it's not the physical aspect that's holding them back. It's just a matter of a woman with the right physical traits developing the skill and having the desire to aggressively compete (a lack of testosterone makes that difficult).
There is a heap of black guys under and around 5’5.
Name one female athlete around the same size with the strength of GP riders of that size? You have no understanding of the physical differences between men and women.
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black people not being interested in riding motorbikes does not make MotoGP less inclusive. Maybe you meant diverse.
Firstly - I never said that Espeleta's organization was discouraging non-whites. That isn't the issue.

To think it's a question of disinterest is naive. It's much more about cultural separatism, ethnic pidgeonholing and very much to do with economics. Motorcycling as a sport in America (and elsewhere as far as I have been able to discern) has for as long as it's been in any way promoted - has been illustrated in popular movies and advertising as a white sport or past time. When's the last time you saw an advertisement for any motorcycle with a black guy on the bike? When's the last time you saw a big-budget action film staring a black main protagonist on a motorcycle? In movies the only black (or non-white) guys you see on a motorcycle is in the scene where some guys on dirt bikes come by and spray someone with bullets or steal some white women's purse; and inevitably if those guys are ever seen again in the film - it's when the white hero in a car drives them off the road into a flaming demise.

Blacks in America and elsewhere are at an economic disadvantage when it comes to a job market that re-enforces the idea that the most acceptable path to economic stability is through playing sports or joining the military. I live a few miles from Bear Mountain and from April to October this area is sport-bike heaven from 7:00 am till early evening because it has tons of great back roads with few police and I see groups of riders coming through (and of course on my favorite roads) my area and see them at the local burger joints in the mountains where riders hang out and rarely see groups of white riders who make any effort to engage with black riders. Not because they're racists - but simply because they grew up wanting to emulate the whole biker fellowshipping image promulgated in a media landscape that isn't black inclusive. So naturally - there aren't a lot of young black guys wanting to connect with a scene where they aren't made to feel welcome.
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There is a heap of black guys under and around 5’5.
Name one female athlete around the same size with the strength of GP riders of that size? You have no understanding of the physical differences between men and women.
Exactly what percentage is a heap? I said under 5'5" and passionate about motorcycle racing. The black men I've seen that love motorcycle racing and compete in national series are much taller than GP riders.

The first group of female athletes that come to mind is pretty much every female flyweight in pro MMA. They are exceeding the strength of GP riders while being the same size. There are many many more females including crossfitters and other D1 & pro female athletes.

Claudia Gadelha


Michelle Waterson



Tecia Torres



Jessica Andrade





Crossfit women. Name a GP rider that can compete with this.


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Exactly what percentage is a heap? I said under 5'5" and passionate about motorcycle racing. The black men I've seen that love motorcycle racing and compete in national series are much taller than GP riders.

The first group of female athletes that come to mind is pretty much every female flyweight in pro MMA. They are exceeding the strength of GP riders while being the same size. There are many many more females including crossfitters and other D1 & pro female athletes.

Claudia Gadelha


Michelle Waterson



Tecia Torres



Jessica Andrade





Crossfit women. Name a GP rider that can compete with this.

Black men that you’ve seen are only in America because your pea brain doesn’t comprehend that there is a continent of over 1 billion people that is almost exclusively black. There is an entire continent of people with differing cultures interests and affluence. When I lived in Jamaica there was a heap of black people who were heavily involved in motorsports. All of differing sizes. Some big, some small, some average size. This doesn’t mean they have the means or talent to make it to the GP but the dream is still there. How many white men are the ‘ideal’ size for a GP racer and have the interest, fuck all. Just like the percentage of black men.

I’m so happy you decided to go to MMA. As someone who has fought professionally and trained with women I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that all of the GP riders will be stronger than those you mentioned. The difference in athletic ability between men and women is something you clearly know nothing about. They, with very few exceptions do not hit hard. They with very few exceptions have a technical skill level so far below the men in MMA that it’s embarrassing to think that you don’t see it. There’s plenty of amateurs in the same divisions that would beat world rated women.

When I was 16 I used to spar with a female world champion boxer, she was taller, longer and bigger than me. Despite that I was a lot stronger, hit a lot harder, was a lot faster and moved much better and I was a teenager. None of those women are as strong as you think they are, none of those women can compete with men whom have also trained. If you think that you are a moron.

The USA world champions soccer team lost to a bunch of school kids. Those kids while talented in American would be considered not good enough to make representative teams through most of Europe, South America and Africa.

Crossfire? The fuck has that got to do with anything. Of course GP riders could do it if they trained for it you fucking melon. How do the CrossFit women compare to the men who specifically train for the same activity as them?

You’re a moron.

Whether the large disparity between men and women in athletic ability matters when it comes to motorcycle racing is another thing though. I don’t see any reason why physically women couldn’t have the ability to ride a GP bike but to pretend they would be as strong as the men whom they compete against shows you lack a basic understanding of physiology.
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I think we'll see a woman make it on the GP grid eventually.
You'll never see a woman on the MotoGP grid.

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Just saying it would be good for the sport if it were more inclusive.
that's some fine SJW nonsense

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... rarely see groups of white riders who make any effort to engage with black riders. Not because they're racists - but simply because they grew up wanting to emulate the whole biker fellowshipping image promulgated in a media landscape that isn't black inclusive. So naturally - there aren't a lot of young black guys wanting to connect with a scene where they aren't made to feel welcome.
This reeks of the racism of low expectations. It is not the responsibility of whites to "engage" with blacks.

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The USA world champions soccer team lost to a bunch of school kids. Those kids while talented in American would be considered not good enough to make representative teams through most of Europe, South America and Africa.
that is the perfect example

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Black men that you’ve seen are only in America because your pea brain doesn’t comprehend that there is a continent of over 1 billion people that is almost exclusively black. There is an entire continent of people with differing cultures interests and affluence. When I lived in Jamaica there was a heap of black people who were heavily involved in motorsports. All of differing sizes. Some big, some small, some average size. This doesn’t mean they have the means or talent to make it to the GP but the dream is still there. How many white men are the ‘ideal’ size for a GP racer and have the interest, fuck all. Just like the percentage of black men.

I’m so happy you decided to go to MMA. As someone who has fought professionally and trained with women I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that all of the GP riders will be stronger than those you mentioned. The difference in athletic ability between men and women is something you clearly know nothing about. They, with very few exceptions do not hit hard. They with very few exceptions have a technical skill level so far below the men in MMA that it’s embarrassing to think that you don’t see it. There’s plenty of amateurs in the same divisions that would beat world rated women.

When I was 16 I used to spar with a female world champion boxer, she was taller, longer and bigger than me. Despite that I was a lot stronger, hit a lot harder, was a lot faster and moved much better and I was a teenager. None of those women are as strong as you think they are, none of those women can compete with men whom have also trained. If you think that you are a moron.

The USA world champions soccer team lost to a bunch of school kids. Those kids while talented in American would be considered not good enough to make representative teams through most of Europe, South America and Africa.

Crossfire? The fuck has that got to do with anything. Of course GP riders could do it if they trained for it you fucking melon. How do the CrossFit women compare to the men who specifically train for the same activity as them?

You’re a moron.

Whether the large disparity between men and women in athletic ability matters when it comes to motorcycle racing is another thing though. I don’t see any reason why physically women couldn’t have the ability to ride a GP bike but to pretend they would be as strong as the men whom they compete against shows you lack a basic understanding of physiology.
You keep saying "heap" of people. What percentage is that? You're referring to less than 1% of a population as a "heap".

Yes, even the average American white male is now too big for GP bikes. We all saw what happened with Nicky when Pedrosa joined Repsol.

I call bullshit on GP riders being stronger than the female MMA fighters I mentioned or female crossfitters. I never argued that female athletes can just as strong as male athletes in the same sport. My argument is that the physical strength required to ride a GP bike does NOT exceed what female athletes are capable of. GP riders don't train to get much stronger than what's required to do their job because they don't want any extra mass. That's why female athletes can outperform them in a gym or in a strength/endurance competition.

All your little name calling hoping to drag this into a 4th grade level playground fight is not going to work. You know I know how old you are so it's only entertainment to see a senior citizen resort to that kind of a tactic. Come on p4p1, show us you have an ability to try to support your opinions without resorting to childish insults... try hard.

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