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July 10th, 2019, 10:25 AM   #51
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Just the usual nonsense.
Marquez is in reality sbsolutely hopeless on a bike obviously. My gran could win on that Repsol Honda sitting backwards. Just look how easy Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Crutchlow & Nakagami can stick it on the podium and win races week in week out (!).


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exactly marc has 185 points (too bad for TX it would be more) the next closest honda rider has 67 points. can anyone tell me the last time another honda besides Marquez has won a race. i think it was crutchlow in austrilia 2 years back. so how is the honda so dominant.
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Honda probably would have dropped Pedrosa if Stoner hadnít retired. Marquez gives them the spanish rider Repsol want and both Marquez and Stoner are undeniably better than Pedrosa.
this was the plan
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ive said this a million times to describe stoner and marquez.

stoner is lebron james. amazing talent but not hungry and not clutch. did lebron win yes but he didnt care if he lost there was always next year. same with stoner always another race or another year i did great im a legend im going fishing

marquez is jordan. hes savage losing isnt an option. he doesnt want to just win he wants to destroy you.

i love stoner but he would never ever be marquez. never had the heart
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I'd say Stoner had loads of heart, but not where MM's is. MM's heart is in winning. He absolutely loves it and will get into serious dogfights to get the next win. Stoner was different. He definitely didn't care for dogfights but instead, clean racing. He was more into the bike and getting it around the circuit as quickly as possible.
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first marc isnt leaving hrc till 10. after that he goes to ducati. much like any f1 guy wanting to go to ferrari). also his brother is going to pramac. he will automatically become untouchable (to me he is already) when he wins on the ducati. where do you come up with suzuki. ducati has audi and marlboro the money is unlimited. honda is dwarfed by volkswagon group.
Marc isn't driven by money as much as proving how much better a rider he is to the rest of the field.
He'll go to Suzuki just to prove he can do it on the smallest of the "Big 4".
Then he'll move and do it all again.
This HRC stint is just the beginning.
What records he hasn't already obliterated soon will be.
He'll maybe throw Rossi & co a few scraps.
Marc my words, he's Suzuki bound. And I can't wait.

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first marc isnt leaving hrc till 10. after that he goes to ducati. much like any f1 guy wanting to go to ferrari). also his brother is going to pramac. he will automatically become untouchable (to me he is already) when he wins on the ducati. where do you come up with suzuki. ducati has audi and marlboro the money is unlimited. honda is dwarfed by volkswagon group.
Time and again itís been shown that money is not everything. Hondaís decades of GP racing experience repeatedly trumps carloads of money. Red Bull is huge and yet progress is dauntingly slow despite KTMís long racing heritage. And KTM built a really first rate 250 bike for the old F2 series.
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I’m still not convinced he leaves Honda. Rossi nor Stoner didn’t leave Honda/Yamaha/Ducati because they wanted another challenge. Rossi left Honda and Yamaha over his ego, Stoner left Ducati because he was being thrown under the bus. Marquez is happy, has won when Honda doesn’t have the best bike on the grid and probably feels 0 need to prove anything to the Valeban who are the only ones on the needs to win on another bike train.
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I'd say Stoner had loads of heart, but not where MM's is. MM's heart is in winning. He absolutely loves it and will get into serious dogfights to get the next win. Stoner was different. He definitely didn't care for dogfights but instead, clean racing. He was more into the bike and getting it around the circuit as quickly as possible.
I think the not wanting to dogfight thing is something of a myth, at Ducati he was riding a bike on which it was well nigh impossible to dogfight, no one else including Rossi who could out dog fight him on the nimble Yamaha could get the Ducati to negotiate corners at all or manage lap times much closer than 2 seconds to Stonerís.

I agree he was very different to MM, without his ferocious drive/desire to win and erase all records in the sport, and he competed more against the maximum potential of his bike and against the circuit than against other riders. He also didnít enjoy the Valeban stuff, while in MMís case it seems to have only increased his motivation, and how he has stood up to same is one of the things I most admire about MM.

No way Stoner would ever have prevailed over MM long term/over a decade or more as MM seems likely to do against current competition imo, but with the form and focus he had in his 2 title years it would have been a contest, also imo. I still find Stonerís riding style epic and prefer it to MMís equally laws of physics defying style, and could watch Stoner do laps on his own all day, particularly around PI where it seemed he could just about win on a tricycle.
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Never said I understood how he did it.

I did however understand how what he did gave him an advantage.

I remember an interview with Espargaro or Bautista not sure, who said the exact same you did.

I followed Stoner out of curiosity and could NOT understand how the fuck he rode. that alone is amazing.
You may be thinking Ben Spies who in a video (trying to find it) said something like that 'when he follows a lot of the guys he can see why they are so fast, he may not be able to replicate it on that day but he can see, but Casey does some things on a bike that there is no way I (Spies) could do'

It was said in a video where a number of riders spoke of Stoner after his retirement
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You may be thinking Ben Spies who in a video (trying to find it) said something like that 'when he follows a lot of the guys he can see why they are so fast, he may not be able to replicate it on that day but he can see, but Casey does some things on a bike that there is no way I (Spies) could do'

It was said in a video where a number of riders spoke of Stoner after his retirement
The interview i saw was in 2009 I think....He was still on the Duc for sure.

And was a Spanish Rider, we used to get a huuuuuuuuge free coverage for motogp in Spain back in the day, sad how times have changed.\
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