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June 16th, 2019, 11:55 PM   #71
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The championship isn't over until the points on offer is less than the gap between the protagonists ......... simple.

Many years ago Mick Doohan had 130 or so points with the nearest competitor some 65 points back after 7 rounds, then came Assen and Doohan missed out on the world title by 4 points come years end 6 races later.

Shit can happen ............ this championship is far from over
Agreed 100%. Anything can and probably will happen.
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The championship isn't over until the points on offer is less than the gap between the protagonists ......... simple.

Many years ago Mick Doohan had 130 or so points with the nearest competitor some 65 points back after 7 rounds, then came Assen and Doohan missed out on the world title by 4 points come years end 6 races later.

Shit can happen ............ this championship is far from over

you are certainly right but at the same I can't help acknowledging how difficult it is gonna be to beat MM.

I mean just think about it. Random example: 2017. The Honda had a significantly less powerful engine compared to the Ducati, Dovi won 6 races, Marquez's engine blew up in England (that happens, on an average, once every 10 years to HRC) and still he clinched the title.

This year the Honda suits him even better, he's more mature, more lethal, more fast, and on top of that the Lorenzo strike just happened.

Also, excluding crashes, when MM has a bad day he's still on the podium....other competitors of his (mainly Dovi) end up 5th or 6th or worse on a bad day....
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I agree. Only injury would hamper MM's momentum to winning another championship.
He is doing better on this year's bike. Dovi isn't as close in performance as we'd like.
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The championship isn't over until the points on offer is less than the gap between the protagonists ......... simple.

Many years ago Mick Doohan had 130 or so points with the nearest competitor some 65 points back after 7 rounds, then came Assen and Doohan missed out on the world title by 4 points come years end 6 races later.

Shit can happen ............ this championship is far from over
We all know what happened in 2017. Mav were leading the championship and had a 37 point lead to Marc which was in 4th place after six rounds and were leading until race 7. Then marc took the lead after germany and lost it after UK. Tied it at misano and held it from Aragon to the end. All shit can happen with the competion of motogp today. Rins, petrux, fabio can spoil it. Hopefully lorenzo is back for real and can challenge for the podium and win. Rest of the season will be interesting and lets see what team has made the most progress after the summer break.
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it is possible to clinch a title also with some DNFs, Marquez has done it several times.

He's just a lot better and faster than anybody else, that's a simple receipt yet pretty hard to emulate..
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Marquez has the cheques that his competitors can't cash.
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I saw this come up on a news feed today. I don't know enough details on the actual safety concerns/track changes that took place after the LS fatality to know whether this argument has merit.

But it does seem a good point if the concerns of the limited run off areas that brought about the T10 changes have since been addressed.



Catalunya: Rossi fought to have 'car park' corner removed
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16 Jun 2019
'It's like a supermarket car park! For me it's not a race track corner' - Valentino Rossi, Catalunya MotoGP.


Valentino Rossi questioned why MotoGP is still using the F1 version of Turn 10 at Barcelona - scene of Sunday's four-way accident between Jorge Lorenzo, Andrea Dovizioso, Maverick Vinales and Rossi.

The tighter F1 corner at the end of the back straight was brought in alongside use of the F1 chicane (Turn 12), after Luis Salom's fatal accident in 2016.

But while the F1 chicane was subsequently dumped in favour of a return to the original penultimate corner, following modifications to increase the run-off, the slower Turn 10 remains in place.

"I don't know what happened, because Barcelona say we want to go back to the normal layout for motorcycles in the last two corners [without the chicane] and they made a lot of work for the run-off area. But why do we still have this [Turn 10] corner?" Rossi said on Sunday.

"I tried to fight to have the 'Circuit of Catalunya' corner, the long left that is very good. But for some reason we use this corner and it's like a supermarket car park!

"So for me it's not a race track corner. And in a corner like this, it's easier for that kind of incident [on Sunday] to happen," Rossi added, echoing comments made by Lorenzo, who triggered Sunday's pile-up when he missed his braking point.

Although not a factor in Salom's accident, the F1 version of Turn 10 was adopted by MotoGP due to concerns over the lack of run-off at the end of the back straight.

While it would be difficult to extend that run-off area, since it backs onto the final corners, some have suggested a new Turn 10 for motorcycles - similar to the old, flowing design - should be created as an alternative to the slow 'F1' version.


https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/92...corner-removed
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I saw this come up on a news feed today. I don't know enough details on the actual safety concerns/track changes that took place after the LS fatality to know whether this argument has merit.

But it does seem a good point if the concerns of the limited run off areas that brought about the T10 changes have since been addressed.



Catalunya: Rossi fought to have 'car park' corner removed
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'It's like a supermarket car park! For me it's not a race track corner' - Valentino Rossi, Catalunya MotoGP.


Valentino Rossi questioned why MotoGP is still using the F1 version of Turn 10 at Barcelona - scene of Sunday's four-way accident between Jorge Lorenzo, Andrea Dovizioso, Maverick Vinales and Rossi.

The tighter F1 corner at the end of the back straight was brought in alongside use of the F1 chicane (Turn 12), after Luis Salom's fatal accident in 2016.

But while the F1 chicane was subsequently dumped in favour of a return to the original penultimate corner, following modifications to increase the run-off, the slower Turn 10 remains in place.

"I don't know what happened, because Barcelona say we want to go back to the normal layout for motorcycles in the last two corners [without the chicane] and they made a lot of work for the run-off area. But why do we still have this [Turn 10] corner?" Rossi said on Sunday.

"I tried to fight to have the 'Circuit of Catalunya' corner, the long left that is very good. But for some reason we use this corner and it's like a supermarket car park!

"So for me it's not a race track corner. And in a corner like this, it's easier for that kind of incident [on Sunday] to happen," Rossi added, echoing comments made by Lorenzo, who triggered Sunday's pile-up when he missed his braking point.

Although not a factor in Salom's accident, the F1 version of Turn 10 was adopted by MotoGP due to concerns over the lack of run-off at the end of the back straight.

While it would be difficult to extend that run-off area, since it backs onto the final corners, some have suggested a new Turn 10 for motorcycles - similar to the old, flowing design - should be created as an alternative to the slow 'F1' version.


https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/92...corner-removed


doesn't happen too often but this time I fully agree with Rossi.
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Pretty clear that Dovi almost came to stop in the middle of the corner, Lorenzo wasn’t expecting it and grabbed a handful of brake and went down. Anyone who thinks this was on purpose is an idiot.
The championship was over anyway.
exactly and level 8 was going to happen with or without this crash. the only question left in moto gp is when does MM go to ducati and get a championship there. will it be before or after level 10
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2019 champ Marc Marquez, thanks to an idiot named lorenzo.
so dovi stops lorenzo grabs the break and takes out dovi but by your logic MM is the champ because of lorenzo? you cant be serious. MM should have been up this much except for the COTA debacle. dovi wasnt beating MM either way
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