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June 10th, 2019, 01:20 AM   #71
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Nobody 'knows' what could of happened including Rossi??? If thats the point you're trying to make.

I dont see why Rossi's tyre degradation would have been so much worse compared to the others (the entire field actually) as you are suggesting based on nothing more than the fact he got stuck behind slower traffic and had to pick them off??? Sure he lost time to the leaders who checked out but why would he sufferer far worse tyre degradation than anybody else by doing slower laptimes???
Yes, the only point is we don't know what his race pace would've been if he had a better starting positon.

Having to ride in traffic and out-brake multipe riders can lead to quicker tire degredation. Exactly how much it affected Rossi compared the front runners, I don't know. But after having lost so much time to the leaders, he wasn't going to be able to catch them regardless.

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Yes, the only point is we don't know what his race pace would've been if he had a better starting positon.

Having to ride in traffic and out-brake multipe riders can lead to quicker tire degredation. Exactly how much if affected Rossi compared the front runners, I don't know. But after having lost so much time to the leaders, he wasn't going to be able to catch them regardless.
He never showed any sign of being competitive with the three podium finishers the entire weekend, although admittedly he had shown before and continues to show even this year that he can mostly comfortably out perform his practice pace when that is poor.

I find it hard to believe on his late season 2015 form that Rossi could have gone the near lap record pace Jorge and hence the other podium finishers maintained during that race on a track historically bad for him, and if he had been able to do so it is a notoriously one line track on which it is difficult to pass, the reasons he was desperate to go into the race with a points buffer over Jorge. Sure MM would have made a death or glory pass to win a championship for himself, but he could hardly be expected to do so on Rossi’s behalf, particularly after being admonished for racing title contenders at Sepang.
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Yes, the only point is we don't know what his race pace would've been if he had a better starting positon.

Having to ride in traffic and out-brake multipe riders can lead to quicker tire degredation. Exactly how much if affected Rossi compared the front runners, I don't know. But after having lost so much time to the leaders, he wasn't going to be able to catch them regardless.
I find it hard to believe that if Rossi started the race in 12th where he qualified that he would have suffered so much less tyre degredation, that the outcome of the championship would of changed.

He was struggling all weekend. IMHO I stick by my comments, I donít think his P4 finishing position would have changed without the rear start penalty imposed and him starting from where he qualified.
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I find it hard to believe that if Rossi started the race in 12th where he qualified that he would have suffered so much less tyre degredation, that the outcome of the championship would of changed.

He was struggling all weekend. IMHO I stick by my comments, I donít think his P4 finishing position would have changed without the rear start penalty imposed and him starting from where he qualified.
Rossi had more chance of winning the title by having to start the race last in Valencia than he did if he was (as he should have been) black flagged in Sepang.
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And what race tracks would that be ???
For a supposed Brit you're highly critical of your Ilk.

What's up ? Do you not like newcomers upsetting your status quo with your peers or dumb shits that agree with your every word !!!
For starters the minute you turn up you start slagging off you come across as a brit abroad, drunk, surly, a thug, not IMO something to be proud of.
Race tracks well take your pick, Donny, Silverstone, Brands, Cadwell, Croft, Snetterton, Oulton, Mallory, raced at all of them over a 25 year period, then there are the foreign circuits like Spa, Assen, even been to Italy, Imola.
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Yes, the only point is we don't know what his race pace would've been if he had a better starting positon.

Having to ride in traffic and out-brake multipe riders can lead to quicker tire degredation. Exactly how much it affected Rossi compared the front runners, I don't know. But after having lost so much time to the leaders, he wasn't going to be able to catch them regardless.
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Rossi had more chance of winning the title by having to start the race last in Valencia than he did if he was (as he should have been) black flagged in Sepang.
Not wrong, even a 30 second time penalty at Sepang (like the one issued to Marc in Argentina) would have netted Rossi 6 points for the weekend instead of the 16 he received.
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For starters the minute you turn up you start slagging off you come across as a brit abroad, drunk, surly, a thug, not IMO something to be proud of.
Race tracks well take your pick, Donny, Silverstone, Brands, Cadwell, Croft, Snetterton, Oulton, Mallory, raced at all of them over a 25 year period, then there are the foreign circuits like Spa, Assen, even been to Italy, Imola.
Probably been to 50 tracks or more as a spannerman, Pirelli tyreman, team sponsor and owner across Europe and the US so just wind your bloody neck in or get back under your Troll Bridge...You're the one that comes across as a complete asshole despite your fanbase ....kin swivel you muppet
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