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October 11th, 2019, 08:59 AM   #71
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the only available seat for next season is Nakagami's LCR seat... if Nakagami is willing to sit out the final 3 rounds of the season for surgery then he is bound to know he has a deal for a ride next season. Lucio Cecchinello is also very loyal to his riders and team, no matter how many times they crash. My point is, if this is some sort of try out, which bike is he trying out for? all the other Honda riders are under contract.

Lorenzo has a contract with Honda for next season, he also has his own sponsors and endorsement deals. This makes it very hard for Lorenzo to walk away, and very expensive for Honda to buy him out.
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Whilst I am very pleased to see Johann back on the grid I do wonder if we are going from one fire into a furnace? Zarco is smooth and accurate aka Lorenzo, so will he suffer as Lorenzo has, however I do feel he should do better than the current incumbents and he has more to prove -I do hope it works, mind you it if it did wouldn't it complicate 2021 seats?

As for Lorenzo I wonder if Ducati are regretting their decision and making plans for a return
Isn't Nakagima running last year's Honda? If so, that bike is easier to tame than this year's. Should be interesting to see how he get's on.
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the only available seat for next season is Nakagami's LCR seat... if Nakagami is willing to sit out the final 3 rounds of the season for surgery then he is bound to know he has a deal for a ride next season. Lucio Cecchinello is also very loyal to his riders and team, no matter how many times they crash. My point is, if this is some sort of try out, which bike is he trying out for? all the other Honda riders are under contract.

Lorenzo has a contract with Honda for next season, he also has his own sponsors and endorsement deals. This makes it very hard for Lorenzo to walk away, and very expensive for Honda to buy him out.
Can't keep track of what marques have open contracts still (none?) but if there were an option available, I could see Lorenzo willing to part from Honda where presently his potential seems nil. Pedrosa owned his share of injuries despite which he was doing better than Lorenzo. Yes, he had years to ride the Honda, yet still, Lorenzo is WAY at the back and looks miserable.
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Can't keep track of what marques have open contracts still (none?) but if there were an option available, I could see Lorenzo willing to part from Honda where presently his potential seems nil. Pedrosa owned his share of injuries despite which he was doing better than Lorenzo. Yes, he had years to ride the Honda, yet still, Lorenzo is WAY at the back and looks miserable.
Lorenzo is locked into a contract with Honda, and endorsement deals with sponsors and other product licensing agreements. there is a lot more at stake and other parties involved then just Honda and Lorenzo. It would be a lot more complicated then the KTM/Zarco split.
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Lorenzo is locked into a contract with Honda, and endorsement deals with sponsors and other product licensing agreements. there is a lot more at stake and other parties involved then just Honda and Lorenzo. It would be a lot more complicated then the KTM/Zarco split.
Where there's a will there's a way... especially if its a win-win-win.
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Where there's a will there's a way... especially if its a win-win-win.
Honda could buy him out of his contract, hard to say how much it will cost them, plus most of the teams start their fiscal year in the summer so it may be a lot harder to work that kind of deal into their budget this late.

Dont get me wrong there is a chance this could happen, Zarco would need to impress, and dont forget Bradl already has 2 top 10 finishes this season on Lorenzo's bike, so Zarco would need to be drastically better then that.
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Honda could buy him out of his contract, hard to say how much it will cost them, plus most of the teams start their fiscal year in the summer so it may be a lot harder to work that kind of deal into their budget this late.

Dont get me wrong there is a chance this could happen, Zarco would need to impress, and dont forget Bradl already has 2 top 10 finishes this season on Lorenzo's bike, so Zarco would need to be drastically better then that.
Also Honda may not have to bear the full burden of costs if someone really wants Jorge or he really wants out... hard to say how things would shake-out.
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why would Lorenzo want to leave? or, why would Marquez want him to leave at this stage? Honda are winning with their star rider so why would they be that bothered about a number 2, at this stage I emphasise, I don't know the nature of Lorenzo's financial package but when someone comes asking for a job they don't usually have a great deal to barter with, so would it not be more expedient to keep Lorenzo? also if Jorge turns it around as done previously wouldn't Honda make some media mileage out of that?

unless Suzuki have a massive re-think and look at a satellite team I just can't see Lorenzo leaving Honda, mind you that would be the dream team - Zarco and Lorenzo on Suzuki's, s.
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why would Lorenzo want to leave? or, why would Marquez want him to leave at this stage? Honda are winning with their star rider so why would they be that bothered about a number 2, at this stage I emphasise, I don't know the nature of Lorenzo's financial package but when someone comes asking for a job they don't usually have a great deal to barter with, so would it not be more expedient to keep Lorenzo? also if Jorge turns it around as done previously wouldn't Honda make some media mileage out of that?

unless Suzuki have a massive re-think and look at a satellite team I just can't see Lorenzo leaving Honda, mind you that would be the dream team - Zarco and Lorenzo on Suzuki's, s.
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1. Lorenzo would love to leave if a seat opened up on a Yamaha or Suzuki team because those bikes so perfectly match up with his original core riding style. Or a seat on the Ducati . . . because over the course of two grueling seasons he and his good pal Gigi finally got the ergonomics suitably transformed to the point where he could win races.

2. Because Lorenzo and the Honda are like oil and water.

2A. Why would Marquez care one way or the other whether Lorenzo departed? 2B. Who thinks Marquez has a say in the matter? He's an employee of HRC, not the other way around.

3. HRC needs a rider who is sufficiently in tune with the bike to the point that they can be the parts donkey to test out new stuff - in order to get useful feed-back, to transform the bike into a more universal platform, that riders not as insanely brilliant as Marquez, can be competitive on, because A. they might be sufficiently forward thinking to not put all their eggs in one (Marquez) basket and B. accrue more points in the Constructors Championship. C. Has there been any indicator after most of a season that Lorenzo is getting on any better with the RCV?
Short answer: No.

4. Nobody here is interested in Lorenzo's "package" because were not gay. Okay . . . just kidding. . . a lot of these guys are gay.

5. Lorenzo is hardly hurting for cash. He could walk away with no further funds from HRC and have enough pocket money to last him five lifetimes - so losing a bit of new income in exchange for an opportunity to get on a compatible bike before he gets too old, would, I suggest, be extremely appealing.
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Do you mind if I mention Zarco in this Zarco thread?
I can't wait to see how he performs on Honda. In any case, he will get luxury of experience not many riders have riding yet another brand.
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