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June 5th, 2019, 12:51 AM   #31
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Call me crazy but IMHO on the right bike they would both still be capable of winning a race every now and then, on certain tracks. Especially Jorge.
Lorenzo on the Yamaha or Suzuki would be more than capable of winning races and I do expect him to get some wins on the Honda, but in saying that I also cannot hide my disappointment in just how slow his transitions are from competitive back to competitive (Yamaha - Ducati - Honda).

Rossi, well he can still win races as we have seen but for me (can feel some steaming up now), the number of circumstances he needs in his favour are far greater than a Lorenzo to win, and in saying this I do not refer to the bike but all other aspects. There is no doubt he has the racecraft, the mind, the desire and the will but I am not so sure he is able to put them all together as frequently as we have seen in the past - yes, I think age is catching up.


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It does seem the flavour of the month to talk down Rossi and JLo. I fully agree with you and would add that it's more than now and then that they would win. Dovi is not the next in line in terms of capability on track. I'm not convinced he's better than JLo or Rossi for that matter. I don't think he's that good though I really like him.
This is where the flame suit may be needed but I do agree and personally I would have him 4th at best as for me, the tribulations of Rossi and Lorenzo are masking the order somewhat, but then, you can also only compete against those on the same track at the same time so in that aspect, he is best of the rest as it sits today.
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Lorenzo on the Yamaha or Suzuki would be more than capable of winning races and I do expect him to get some wins on the Honda, but in saying that I also cannot hide my disappointment in just how slow his transitions are from competitive back to competitive (Yamaha - Ducati - Honda).

Rossi, well he can still win races as we have seen but for me (can feel some steaming up now), the number of circumstances he needs in his favour are far greater than a Lorenzo to win, and in saying this I do not refer to the bike but all other aspects. There is no doubt he has the racecraft, the mind, the desire and the will but I am not so sure he is able to put them all together as frequently as we have seen in the past - yes, I think age is catching up.




This is where the flame suit may be needed but I do agree and personally I would have him 4th at best as for me, the tribulations of Rossi and Lorenzo are masking the order somewhat, but then, you can also only compete against those on the same track at the same time so in that aspect, he is best of the rest as it sits today.

I agree with most of the above.


As per Lorenzo, what sorta worries me is that he has not yet had one single "moment". In his first Ducati year, when he was struggling a lot, he was still capable of putting down fast laps every now and then, as well as good qualifying sessions and was even capable of having a few laps up front in the race, before dropping out of the top 5/top 10....but so far with Honda he hasn't done ANY of that...I really dunno what to think.
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As per Lorenzo, what sorta worries me is that he has not yet had one single "moment". In his first Ducati year, when he was struggling a lot, he was still capable of putting down fast laps every now and then, as well as good qualifying sessions and was even capable of having a few laps up front in the race, before dropping out of the top 5/top 10....but so far with Honda he hasn't done ANY of that...I really dunno what to think.
Agreed on Lorenzo but at the same time, if my aging memory is still close to usable he did not start to show much until the second half of the season in year 1 at Ducati (all from memory so could well be wrong).

He has still had a couple of good sessions/laps so far on the Honda but not enough of the consistency we have come to expect or the metronomic approach where he turns lap after lap at the same pace ...........much like early days at Ducati.

I will be fair and wonder if it is the seat to peg to bars that seemed the issue at Ducati and has followed to Honda as there is no doubt Lorenzo has a different style to Marquez so bike dynamics and dimensions may be interesting
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I agree with most of the above.


As per Lorenzo, what sorta worries me is that he has not yet had one single "moment". In his first Ducati year, when he was struggling a lot, he was still capable of putting down fast laps every now and then, as well as good qualifying sessions and was even capable of having a few laps up front in the race, before dropping out of the top 5/top 10....but so far with Honda he hasn't done ANY of that...I really dunno what to think.
Flame? I don't see anything controversial in your post. Seems well thought out.
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Was Suzuki on the table when he took the Honda? He should have had his invincible phase run out with his time at Ducati...Honda can change only so much for him.

Get the filthy lucre while you can I know but maybe wining races gives more in the end.
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Flame? I don't see anything controversial in your post. Seems well thought out.

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It's Gaz and not Holypuck that was concerned he may need a flame suit. But I don't think so.
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LOL I hadn't even noticed that
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come again?
Ooops - replied to wrong post. That was for Gaz.
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Clearly the RCV fits Marc much better.
Or Marc fits the RCV better.
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