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May 8th, 2019, 01:11 AM   #91
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Lorenzo has always been fast as hell or nowhere. Bradl and Nakagami beating him shows that. His time on the Ducati shows that. He suddenly clicked with it and then was as fast as anyone on the grid.
Agree! If he does not start to make progress by August, he may be in trouble. He adapted to the Duc so he should be able to do the same on the RCV. The problem appears to be the new frame. For sure missing the preseason test due to injury is setting him back. Just like when he was on the Duc, we have these same folks saying he is done. But I'll wait to see like I did the last two years.
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Will do.

And please, while I do, keep enlightening us with your lucid and mature racing/bikes/riders analyses, we all shall learn from.



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Please don't let that Muppet reduce your contribution. You have provided some very good insight here about the Italian riders.

On a side note. Was awesome to see Team Sic58 #1 & #2
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Agree! If he does not start to make progress by August, he may be in trouble. He adapted to the Duc so he should be able to do the same on the RCV. The problem appears to be the new frame. For sure missing the preseason test due to injury is setting him back. Just like when he was on the Duc, we have these same folks saying he is done. But I'll wait to see like I did the last two years.
He is not getting any younger, particularly with the injuries.

I am a Jorge fan, and think he was potentially faster than Dovi on the Ducati and capable of being a long term contender there, and definitely capable of being the fastest Yamaha rider, although the politics were perhaps completely untenable for him.

I don’t think anyone really is potentially faster than MM on a Honda, particularly not one designed around him. Stoner in 2011 (or 2007) mode might have made it interesting, but I don’t think he was capable of that sort of focus over the period of time MM has navigated the razor’s edge. I expect Jorge will work something out, but basically he needs MM to leave imo to have any chance of a further title.

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@holypuck- I'll stand by my comment that the Honda is almost unrideable. They've struggled to develop at machine at all, Marc's amazing talent is very heavily leaned on, the engineers just get it roughly right and leave the rest to Marc.
No one else can do anything with it.

I know what it takes to make a rough bike get good lap times.. many have commented that Marc has a similar style to me on trackdays I've done....
I'm sure my times would be even better on a more rideable bike.



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He is not getting any younger, particularly with the injuries.

I am a Jorge fan, and think he was potentially faster than Dovi on the Ducati and capable of being a long term contender there, and definitely capable of being the fastest Yamaha rider, although the politics were perhaps completely untenable for him.

I don’t think anyone really is potentially faster than MM on a Honda, particularly not one designed around him. Stoner in 2011 (or 2007) mode might have made it interesting, but I don’t think he was capable of that sort of focus over the period of time MM has navigated the razor’s edge. I expect Jorge will work something out, but basically he needs MM to leave imo to have any chance of a further title.
Tenacious as he is - I expect he's realistic enough to not have that expectation. Actually - other than Dovi - I think this is true for the rest of the grid. It's Mundialito all over again.
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@holypuck- I'll stand by my comment that the Honda is almost unrideable. They've struggled to develop at machine at all, Marc's amazing talent is very heavily leaned on, the engineers just get it roughly right and leave the rest to Marc.
No one else can do anything with it.

I know what it takes to make a rough bike get good lap times.. many have commented that Marc has a similar style to me on trackdays I've done....
I'm sure my times would be even better on a more rideable bike.



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@holypuck- I'll stand by my comment that the Honda is almost unrideable. They've struggled to develop at machine at all, Marc's amazing talent is very heavily leaned on, the engineers just get it roughly right and leave the rest to Marc.
No one else can do anything with it.

I know what it takes to make a rough bike get good lap times.. many have commented that Marc has a similar style to me on trackdays I've done....
I'm sure my times would be even better on a more rideable bike.



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He is not getting any younger, particularly with the injuries.

I am a Jorge fan, and think he was potentially faster than Dovi on the Ducati and capable of being a long term contender there, and definitely capable of being the fastest Yamaha rider, although the politics were perhaps completely untenable for him.

I don’t think anyone really is potentially faster than MM on a Honda, particularly not one designed around him. Stoner in 2011 (or 2007) mode might have made it interesting, but I don’t think he was capable of that sort of focus over the period of time MM has navigated the razor’s edge. I expect Jorge will work something out, but basically he needs MM to leave imo to have any chance of a further title.

I agree Mike! I never believe he will take a title from Marc with both on the Honda. But I believe he will get better to be in the top 5, and win when the situation favors him. His input should also be very valuable to make the RCV more rounded.
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@holypuck- I'll stand by my comment that the Honda is almost unrideable. They've struggled to develop at machine at all, Marc's amazing talent is very heavily leaned on, the engineers just get it roughly right and leave the rest to Marc.
No one else can do anything with it.

I know what it takes to make a rough bike get good lap times.. many have commented that Marc has a similar style to me on trackdays I've done....
I'm sure my times would be even better on a more rideable bike.




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@holypuck- I'll stand by my comment that the Honda is almost unrideable. They've struggled to develop at machine at all, Marc's amazing talent is very heavily leaned on, the engineers just get it roughly right and leave the rest to Marc.
No one else can do anything with it.

I know what it takes to make a rough bike get good lap times.. many have commented that Marc has a similar style to me on trackdays I've done....
I'm sure my times would be even better on a more rideable bike.



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The general value of the competitiveness of a bike is usually deductible from the amount of tracks (or type of tracks, for example very narrow ones for Ducati) on which the bike is weak. Honda does not have any tracks nor situations on which it's particularly weak.

Is just very, very much made for MM.

Marquez is among my favorite riders ever and I'm always eager to underline how fucking talented he is. I'm definitely not trying to belittle him.
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