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April 12th, 2019, 02:16 AM   #11
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Thatís pretty much a myth. There are thriving middle class populations in most Asian countries other than Pakistan, Cambodia and Laos. And grandstand tickets are sold locally at price range relative to the economy and exchange rate. At any rate with tracks in China, Japan, Thailand and Japan - more Asian rounds wouldnít make sense. Air travel on local airlines in that region is really cheap - making it very affordable to go from one country to the next. I was there two years ago traveling around Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam and was astounded at at how cheap flights were. Visit Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok, Saigon or Hong Kong and see the amazing infrastructure and the range giant high-end shopping places comparable to Tokyo and youíll be quickly disabused of cliche of people living in tin shacks making straw hats. Also - when you take into account the relative density of the populations in Asia compared to their European and American counterparts - you start to understand why their middle class populations are such economic powerhouses. BTW - Three years ago I rented bikes for me and the wife and had an amazing time riding from Hanoi up to near the Chinese border and back. I'd go back in minute.


Laguna is the one they need to bring back.
Population wise, from India to Japan and up to the top of Russia 2/3rds of the worlds population lives there and how many tracks do they have? A mere handful I expect.
I don't know about their middles classes, whatever they are, but seeing as most are so badly paid and the working conditions are atrocious I would not think they have much of a middle class in relation to population.

Laguna would be good, but I don't think it'll ever be back on the Motogp circuit.
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And how many Germans, Dutch, or stupid Americans are in MotoGP? How come the series has all those Japanese motorcycle manufacturers? Shouldn't it be a bunch of Bultacos racing those Italian chumps?

The series needs more diversity for sure. If you can't get any riders from the U.S. into the series, there is an issue. Although, Americans are not the best race fans, regardless of the count of Yankee racers.

I thought SPA had safety issues that are not easy to overcome. Laguna Seca still has safety issues despite the MotoGP/Yamaha/Mazda changes.
Well next year they are saying there might be a race in Finland, how many Finnish riders are there?
Mika Kallio is the only bike rider at present and he isn't racing is he.
Stupid Americans, what sort of language is that?
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Population wise, from India to Japan and up to the top of Russia 2/3rds of the worlds population lives there and how many tracks do they have? A mere handful I expect.
I don't know about their middles classes, whatever they are, but seeing as most are so badly paid and the working conditions are atrocious I would not think they have much of a middle class in relation to population.

Laguna would be good, but I don't think it'll ever be back on the Motogp circuit.
Certainly you know what the Middle Classes are. Mechanics, shop owners, pastry chefs, factory owners, stock brokers, customs agents, real estate people, captains of industry.

The question is: how many tracks do the Japanese have capable of hosting a GP. Japan has three (to say nothing of many small local tracks that host club and national level bike racing equivalent to BSB. Suzuka, Sugo and Motegi. Sugo used to host GPs back in the day. Not sure - but I think Suzuka and Sugo could be made acceptable if there were the will to do so, but Honda is such a huge force there that nobody wants to risk spending the money to compete with them. Sugo to my recollection is a very tight track and probably would need major redesign to make it compatible with modern bikes. They do run superbike there as well as Super GT and Formula it is still a working track. I reckon there isn't enough of a population tho in Japan to make it viable for two GPs. Japan after all is a tiny place with dwindling population.

True that India's downtrodden masses make shit wages - but with a current population of 1,365,457,170 that still makes for a lot of comfortably well off blue collar types, merchant class and upper middle class who can afford stuff like tickets to a race, even if those people only account for the top 5%.

Problem is... India is a sad amalgam of corruption, incompetence and promises unkept - that it's very doubtful they will ever get their shit together to build a proper international circuit. Only reason they have subway systems there is because the Chinese and Japanese felt sorry for their asses and built the subways in Calcutta and Delhi - which they will, like every other aspect of infrastructure there, run into the ground with carelessness and neglect. Pakistan - the same only worse. Truly a shithole.

Thailand with a pop of 69.04 million is a much smaller place and does well to have their one MotoGp race, and it's a great venue and very well attended.

Indonesia - too small.

Russia - fuck Russia. Inept and corrupt with no concept of safety in any endeavor.

Turkey - does okay with their one race. With a population of 69,666,666 - that's about as many races as they can populate.

I could see Brunei doing one because they have unlimited bucks - but they're too close to Malaysia, like opening a Duncan Donuts next to a Starbucks

Bahrain has the money to do it just for kicks, if they did some serious infrastructure building.

The balance of Asian countries are either too small or two poor to even build the track with one exception. South Korea.

The Koreans could build a kick-ass track if they had the will to do it. I've wondered for some time why they don't.

Really tho - the biggest obstacle to races in Asian and Arab countries is flying logistics for all the teams based out of Europe. Those 24 hour flights really are hard on everybody on the team and the costs are mind-blowing. The heat in Arab countries is so insane, that I think nobody wants another round in that region. Thailand and Malaysia are already two really hot places to race.

RE: Laguna - never say never baby!
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I could see Brunei doing one because they have unlimited bucks - but they're too close to Malaysia, like opening a Duncan Donuts next to a Starbucks
Can't see that happening either with their new persecution laws. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47906070

Maybe mechanics in a lot of the world are middle class, but in India?
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Can't see that happening either with their new persecution laws. [URL="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47906070"]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47906070

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That was unnecessary.

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Can't see that happening either with their new persecution laws. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47906070

Maybe mechanics in a lot of the world are middle class, but in India?
Okay... maybe not the average mechanic. I was just mentioning at random blue collar types that make up the lower to higher middle classes. So I'll give you that. Tho a good mechanic still makes a better living than say the average cop - who often pays his superior to get the gig, because he makes 90% of his wages taking bribes from poor fuckers who've committed minor offences.

Re: religion - Same shit as Qatar and all the other Arab countries with Wahabhi fundamentalist theocracies. Hasn't stopped there being races in Qatar. Race fans are for the most part happy to ignore stuff like this if there's a good race to be had; same as the way people were happy to ignore the evil of big bucks tobacco sponsorships - tobacco being in its way a much greater evil in that it kills and maims many more people - all across the world - regardless of race, creed, color or sexual persuasion - than any one religion, unless you consider greed a religion.
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That was unnecessary.
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Thatís pretty much a myth. There are thriving middle class populations in most Asian countries other than Pakistan, Cambodia and Laos. And grandstand tickets are sold locally at price range relative to the economy and exchange rate.
Tell that to the Indian Grand Prix owners, who opted out of the F1 contract and didnot sign a MotoGP one.
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Tell that to the Indian Grand Prix owners, who opted out of the F1 contract and didnot sign a MotoGP one.
I don't follow F1 as it's so bloody boring - so I know nothing about the details and frankly - don't understand your point. Are you saying there's no middle class in Asia?
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I wonder if this is true in Europe, but here in the USA kids growing up are not interested in motorcycles or racing, and motorcycle sales are way down... I'm a dealer I know!!

I hear motorcycles and scooters are still very popular in Asia, and South America... I also ship a lot of bikes to Mexico. I think the sport needs to look at these places. F1 will have a race next year in Vietnam, that track might be an option for Motogp.
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