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March 27th, 2019, 04:36 AM   #11
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The way I see it moving forwards is KTM, aprilia, Suzuki, Honda and Maverick Vinales (not Rossi) will premiere a version of the swingarm wing/cooler. Don't think it will happen this week, maybe for aprilia, but Suzuki and Honda will further develop the idea, before introducing on a race weekend.

As far as I know, Rossi is the only rider in the field to have used up both his fairing designs. All riders have only two, and to gain effect from the rear wing, it looks like the belly pan needs a redesign to channel air towards it. Check out photos of the Ducatis from Qatar, you can see the rear of belly pan is very much narrower than previous iterations.

KTM will bring something, though they probably have more pressing issues to resolve than this.

Aprilia already have something in the works, so maybe the next factory to introduce some changes.

I expect Honda and Suzuki to debut their second fairing design within three rounds, and likely the #12 Yamaha not long after.

If all factories have to use their second fairing design to counter this, Ducati clearly have the upper hand as they get first look at every other fairing design on the grid.
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I wonder why Yamaha didnít protest?. They too have mostly prospered by being smarter than Honda with less resources/money, including employing some of the greatest riders ever.

I am opposed to aerodynamics because of what transpired in F1, not that I care much about current F1, but how is this different in principle from Honda stealing a march with their gearbox?. Ducati on the other hand have mostly been screwed over, in motogp anyway, whenever they came up with anything, even when they chanced upon a superlative rider.
Yamaha used an almost identical device on Rossi's bike last year, saying it was for diverting water in a wet race. I expect they were taking a wait and see attitude in the expectation that they might employ it again without censure.
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Yamaha used an almost identical device on Rossi's bike last year, saying it was for diverting water in a wet race. I expect they were taking a wait and see attitude in the expectation that they might employ it again without censure.
I didn't know that. I am wondering whether the acme of KTM's ambition is to be the best also ran to Honda though.

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I think the comparison between F1 and MotoGP aerodynamics is completely non-sense. A F1 car has much more area to work out over this kind of solution, it's another story. In a bike we barely see any significant differences. I can't see any infinity spiraling increasing in costs because of this.

MotoGP will not going anywhere likewise F1.
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I wonder why Yamaha didnít protest?. They too have mostly prospered by being smarter than Honda with less resources/money, including employing some of the greatest riders ever.

I am opposed to aerodynamics because of what transpired in F1, not that I care much about current F1, but how is this different in principle from Honda stealing a march with their gearbox?. Ducati on the other hand have mostly been screwed over, in motogp anyway, whenever they came up with anything, even when they chanced upon a superlative rider.


Because they used basically the exact same tool in Valencia last year.
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I think the comparison between F1 and MotoGP aerodynamics is completely non-sense. A F1 car has much more area to work out over this kind of solution, it's another story. In a bike we barely see any significant differences. I can't see any infinity spiraling increasing in costs because of this.

MotoGP will not going anywhere likewise F1.

Agree and even more importantly, the physic forces on a car tend to be very similar in the way they influence it (not in the intensity, of course) while on a motorcycle due to the moving/leaning they tend to change almost all the time.

Something hard to figure is how much the bike's aero-solutions influence small details of the riding...while on cars, they can be huge.

I'm no engineer so forgive my lack of technical insights
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Agree and even more importantly, the physic forces on a car tend to be very similar in the way they influence it (not in the intensity, of course) while on a motorcycle due to the moving/leaning they tend to change almost all the time.

Something hard to figure is how much the bike's aero-solutions influence small details of the riding...while on cars, they can be huge.

I'm no engineer so forgive my lack of technical insights
I am not either. I do recall it being said that they could make a bike significantly faster with aerodynamics but the resultant bike required so much effort to ride that the rider would only last a few laps.

I haven’t followed this as closely as some but it sounds as though at least part of the problem is inconsistency with differing attitudes to different manufacturers in Yamaha, Ducati and Aprilia. I certainly don’t favour Ducati being allowed something but not Aprilia.
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I still think all aero devices should be banned.
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I am not either. I do recall it being said that they could make a bike significantly faster with aerodynamics but the resultant bike required so much effort to ride that the rider would only last a few laps.

I havenít followed this as closely as some but it sounds as though at least part of the problem is inconsistency with differing attitudes to different manufacturers in Yamaha, Ducati and Aprilia. I certainly donít favour Ducati being allowed something but not Aprilia.


It was Nakamoto San who said that. It would appear they did make that bike. I remember he also said it was ugly.
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Empire strikes back > https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...ntina/4360165/
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