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April 1st, 2019, 07:04 AM   #51
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Wings, biplane style appendages, hollow boxes. Lots of names they could be called. Lets go back to the style of bike pre 2015.
Agree they should have none of those things.

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April 1st, 2019, 09:25 AM   #52
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Regarding jump starts there needs to be some sort of tolerance
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Regarding jump starts there needs to be some sort of tolerance
Can you imagine the advantage Rossi would get at the start, if there was more discretion. Paaa-leeeese.

The technology may already be there to determine a move without any opinion. How accurate is local gps? How much would 22 laser lights cost? Not much considering they could be used for all classes. Break the light before the start and it shuts off your bike. Just kidding about killing the bike.
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Regarding jump starts there needs to be some sort of tolerance
I've watched the start about a dozen times and if Cal jumped it then there were 4 others as well imo, the 2 satellite Yamaha's, Miller and P. Asparagus. Yet they only penalised Cal.
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I've watched the start about a dozen times and if Cal jumped it then there were 4 others as well imo, the 2 satellite Yamaha's, Miller and P. Asparagus. Yet they only penalised Cal.
It's on twitter. And really obvious. I don't think he gained anything, but rules are rules.
MotoGP 🇦🇷 (@MotoGP) Tweeted:
Here is the video from Race Direction showing Crutchlow’s jump start at the #ArgentinaGP

The explanation of how he was penalised for this can be found under article 1.18 section 14 of the rule book (see the tweet below for full description). https://t.co/1zWN2PG0pO https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/11...582118402?s=17
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April 2nd, 2019, 03:04 AM   #56
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I've watched the start about a dozen times and if Cal jumped it then there were 4 others as well imo, the 2 satellite Yamaha's, Miller and P. Asparagus. Yet they only penalised Cal.

Depends on how you read the rule (below)



And then when you see this video he clearly does not stop,



All of which means a rule breach.

Now, the question is whether the punishment fits the crime
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I'd give them half a revolution of the front wheel tolerance but to prevent regular occurences I'd give them a 3 strikes and out for the season. Do it 3 times then you have to start the remainder of the year from the back of the grid.
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April 2nd, 2019, 11:24 AM   #58
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All this talk about tolerance or leeway...

The rule is don't move before the lights go out, and the rule should remain that way. In fact I'd scrap the idea that if you move and stop then race direction can apply the penalty at their discretion.

Really we need to look at how people are punished as a ride through is ridiculously harsh.

But let's not complicate things. A black and white rule is fair for all. As soon as we allow interpretation then we invite bias.
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I don't think there's any real advantage to be gained unless you jump start like Sean Emmett did in a SBK race once where he gained about 3 bike lengths before the lights went out. Rolling forward by the length of a hamsters cock isn't going to make much difference in a 75 mile race.
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After seeing that footage, ya he broke the rules. The penalty was a little harsh though.
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