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March 31st, 2019, 12:43 PM   #31
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It will be this way from here now. Nobody will stop MM, even more riding a very balanced bike (for him).

Now I ask: what's the difference from nowadays with all that stupid rules prohibiting everything compared to 2006-2012? The field is more packed, but so what? The races are disappointing even more IMHO, riders keep riding carefully inline, one behind another til the end to preserve the tire, where we see one fucking pass at most with 1 lap remaining.

Dorna is so stupid as the people who keeps claiming more and more constraints in a vain attempt to make racing more funny. It has never, never worked. It's not funny, and will not be anymore funny. The only thing, in my honest opinion, that can make racing cool, is the freedom to develop the bike and to choose your tire.

6 years, 5 of which got won by only one rider. Now we are heading to one more to the same rider. Congratulations to those in charge.
If you have this version of Marquez the same advantages that Rossi enjoyed through most of his championship years or even the same advantages that he himself had in 13-14 Marquez would clear off more often than not like he did today I suspect. He is just head and shoulders above everyone on the grid right now and maybe better than anyone who has ever ridden a bike.
I agree with you about the procession until the last few laps, it’s IMO very artificial.
1/2 a second a lap in good weather with the current parity shouldn’t be possible but he made it so.
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The "procession" would end if they had more than the usual suspects competing for the top stop with consistency, as it stands Marquez and Dovi risk a lot by trying to push when nobody can consistently challenge them. In the past season, the races where Lorenzo added himself to the mix were very entertaining. If Jorge regains his level, Yamaha sorts its shit and Suzuki improves, then we would see riders taking more risks early in the race. IMO it's a problem of 2 riders being way ahead the rest. We'll have to wait until the European rounds to see how it goes.
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If you have this version of Marquez the same advantages that Rossi enjoyed through most of his championship years or even the same advantages that he himself had in 13-14 Marquez would clear off more often than not like he did today I suspect. He is just head and shoulders above everyone on the grid right now and maybe better than anyone who has ever ridden a bike.
I agree with you about the procession until the last few laps, it’s IMO very artificial.
1/2 a second a lap in good weather with the current parity shouldn’t be possible but he made it so.
In this scenario of yours, does MM get the same electronics that Rossi had back then as well?
And I assume you are not talking about the 500 two stroke days...

Good race but not great ... entertaining enough
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Maverick and lorenzo should retire.
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Bit of a snorer. Gutted for Cal. Vinales continues to disappoint. Rossi continues to retain his racecraft and picks the perfect place to pass Dovi where there was zero grip at the edge of the track, whilst riding an underperforming Yamaha. Dovi, with his "magic rear spoiler" looking hang-dog at race's end (but then again he almost always does). Morbidelli completely fucks up - looks forward to being reamed by Yamaha. Rins once again waiting too long to get aggressive. Lorenzo does fuck-all.

Moto 2 was a much better race.
Moto 3 as well.

I was very disappointed with the race, as has been pointed out, its turning into a Moto 3 type of procession until the last couple of laps.
Vinales should ask Yamaha to end his contract at the end of the season and go back to another team where he doesn't have someone like the t-shirt salesman.

I was really pleased for Oliveira, only one and a half tenths behind P. Asparagus and a top 10 finish in his rookie year, wonder how long it'll take him to make Asparagus look ordinary.
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It will be this way from here now. Nobody will stop MM, even more riding a very balanced bike (for him).

Now I ask: what's the difference from nowadays with all that stupid rules prohibiting everything compared to 2006-2012? The field is more packed, but so what? The races are disappointing even more IMHO, riders keep riding carefully inline, one behind another til the end to preserve the tire, where we see one fucking pass at most with 1 lap remaining.

Dorna is so stupid as the people who keeps claiming more and more constraints in a vain attempt to make racing more funny. It has never, never worked. It's not funny, and will not be anymore funny. The only thing, in my honest opinion, that can make racing cool, is the freedom to develop the bike and to choose your tire.

6 years, 5 of which got won by only one rider. Now we are heading to one more to the same rider. Congratulations to those in charge.
To be fair - there are others riding on what is essentially the same bike as Marquez's - and none of those riders produce results like his. This was true when he was in Moto 2.

Moreover - people continually complain that the race doesn't get fierce until the last few laps - expecting these guys, week in and week out, to ride a 300 Hp beast for 25 laps like it was a 10 lap sprint. Has no-one considered that the limits of the human beings who ride these bikes may well be pretty much outstripped by bike technology in it's current state? These are not Moto 2. bikes. Races where that happen are far and few between in the premiere class. Maybe that could change if tire technology made a quantum leap, but as things stand the riders are all - to the best of their ability - trying to get the most out of the tires they have without constantly crashing.

Even when there were tire wars - Stoner when he had his fave tire - regularly walked away from everyone like they were standing still; so that scenario existed then and couldn't be blamed on a control tire. It's just awesome talent.
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Seriously? In case one has not noticed. The rules are more even than EV-AR. And Marquez is still the fastest man on two wheels, even when he doesn't have the fastest bike. You can bitch and moan about all kinds of crap, but now that Honda finally has a bike equal or better than the other guys, again, Marc is going to kick ass. I thought Stoner might have been the best I ever saw ride a cement orientated motorcycle ...... until Marquez. He is really that good.

And Rossi is the tits. Second best rider out there. He proved it today for sure. My hat is off to the YOUNG man. He ran a fantastic race.
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Guys, I mean the only way to compete with the likes of Marc Marquez is giving "normal" riders some kind of advantage.

At least they should allow for engine development. That would help Yamaha and Suzuki.
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Naked bikes, why not, certainly save some money spent on plastics.
However for as long as I can remember bikes have had fairings in racing (professional that is), its the appendages that need eradicating.

BTW have you seen how these wings can actually help make a bike faster as well as gripier when they can be affected by speed, ie they alter shape according to speed.
My point being the defining of "aero devices" is not as "easy" a task as you seem to believe.
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