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March 29th, 2019, 11:06 AM   #11
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How do you know it's the same design? You're a assuming.
Every time you comment on technical issues you come off as a fool. So your brand use the word cooler to circumvent the rules and only present evidence of cooling. HRC & Aprilia who have already had a similar or same design got theirs rejected because they stated what the part actually does. If both HRC & Aprilia had stated the secondary function is the primary which is the less of the two functions, their aero would have been approve. Bottom line, Danny Aldridge is an idiot! https://motomatters.com/analysis/201...na_ducati.html
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Every time you comment on technical issues you come off as a fool. So your brand use the word cooler to circumvent the rules and only present evidence of cooling. HRC & Aprilia who have already had a similar or same design got theirs rejected because they stated what the part actually does. If both HRC & Aprilia had stated the secondary function is the primary which is the less of the two functions, their aero would have been approve. Bottom line, Danny Aldridge is an idiot! https://motomatters.com/analysis/201...na_ducati.html
Aldridge is an idiot, but so are all the people who work for Dorna, they are only interested in money and I expect they think that if Ducati win this year it will bring in more money.
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Honda has success - exposing the flawed rules

So seems like HRC tried to homologate the aero a second time but stated a different purpose and guess what ........... Aldridge say OK, passed.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...ridge/4361006/

HRC exposing the stupidity of the rule.

Sure some may whinge about HRC but for me, I am going to say outright ...... well played.
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Jack having fun with the holeshot/launch device - check how it lowers the rear

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Aldridge is the loser here. His stubbornness has allowed Honda to paint him in a corner with nowhere to go. He looks more the fool every time he opens his mouth.
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So seems like HRC tried to homologate the aero a second time but stated a different purpose and guess what ........... Aldridge say OK, passed.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...ridge/4361006/

HRC exposing the stupidity of the rule.

Sure some may whinge about HRC but for me, I am going to say outright ...... well played.
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Aldridge is the loser here. His stubbornness has allowed Honda to paint him in a corner with nowhere to go. He looks more the fool every time he opens his mouth.


It is absolutely hilarious! HRC told them Thursday the part is to generate down force, it got rejected. HRC brought back the same part Friday and said its to help stiffen the swing arm, it got approved!!!! SHOCKING

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport...poiler-ruling/
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"It matters more what we say about the spoiler than what it does" - Brivio

That's is for sure my friend. I don't know of any 5 minutes validating system of aerobodies, maybe they think it should exist a magical box / scanner where you put your object and in 5 minutes then "voila", it tells if it's ok or not.

Now that I have a clearer picture of the situation, it's feels really bizarre but there is no simple way to make aerodynamics rules. How Aldrige would know the exact effect of a piece? Since he has no tools to measure or analyse a part he has to believe what is said it does. There is no way to allege with absolutely sure what a piece of plastic can do solely looking at its shape because it's not mounted on the bike, there is no wind tunnels available and he won't draw the part in Recurdyn/ParticleWorks in five minutes to gather some simulation data. So he has to give faith to what is said from the manufacturer, the data they bring to show, whatever.

Even if he had refused Honda piece the 2nd time, Honda could bring an adulterated report "proving" the piece has been changed and "voilá". What difference it makes?

That's the nature of the thing, it's pretty complex physics to make a perfect ruling of everything in the sight of an eye.
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"It matters more what we say about the spoiler than what it does" - Brivio

That's is for sure my friend. I don't know of any 5 minutes validating system of aerobodies, maybe they think it should exist a magical box / scanner where you put your object and in 5 minutes then "voila", it tells if it's ok or not.

Now that I have a clearer picture of the situation, it's feels really bizarre but there is no simple way to make aerodynamics rules. How Aldrige would know the exact effect of a piece? Since he has no tools to measure or analyse a part he has to believe what is said it does. There is no way to allege with absolutely sure what a piece of plastic can do solely looking at its shape because it's not mounted on the bike, there is no wind tunnels available and he won't draw the part in Recurdyn/ParticleWorks in five minutes to gather some simulation data. So he has to give faith to what is said from the manufacturer, the data they bring to show, whatever.

Even if he had refused Honda piece the 2nd time, Honda could bring an adulterated report "proving" the piece has been changed and "voilá". What difference it makes?

That's the nature of the thing, it's pretty complex physics to make a perfect ruling of everything in the sight of an eye.
As I've said all along just ban all aero devices fitted to a bike, problem solved.
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Marquez has his chain moment in FP4

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As I've said all along just ban all aero devices fitted to a bike, problem solved.
This or simply make it free for fly. I'm prone to it being free, manufacturers should do whatever they want with aero. There is no such way it will end up like F1, absolutely zero chance.

Imagine if aero had been banned 2 years ago. Ducati could not fight with MM, and the kid would have won everything.

This is a prototype racing, a rider + his bike racing, not a rider alone nor bike alone. If you constraint the rules too much, you'll end up with some kind of Marc Marquez winning the entire season (actually we are almost there). But if you get rid of some rules and make it free for development, other less skilled/talented (or older) riders can have a chance making up for the difference through their equipment.

MotoGP isn't WSBK. MotoGP isn't Moto 2. This constraints madness have to stop. Let the thing evole and the engineers fight each other for better ideas.
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