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November 22nd, 2018, 01:51 AM   #81
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Did Stoner even give a detailed insight to steel trellis frame vs carbon frame vs twin bar aluminium?
It'd be hard for him to do so as his experience crossed manufacturers. If he had of had Ducati experience across this evolution that would be more worthwhile. Imo.
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It'd be hard for him to do so as his experience crossed manufacturers. If he had of had Ducati experience across this evolution that would be more worthwhile. Imo.
After listen to Neil about talk about the differences in the chassis i would've loved to hear a rider give his insights as well.
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After listen to Neil about talk about the differences in the chassis i would've loved to hear a rider give his insights as well.
I agree. Maybe we will hear from Zarco in a few years as KTM evolve.
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Did Stoner even give a detailed insight to steel trellis frame vs carbon frame vs twin bar aluminium?
He said however bad people thought the carbon fibre bike was the trellis frame bike was worse. I think part of the problem was that it was an artisanal product, and even for him as the lead rider his second bike wasn’t the same as his number 1 bike, I guess it was adjustable which the carbon fibre bike wasn’t. He continued to maintain that the 2009 bike was fine, and his health was the problem, and his performances when healthy gave some credence to this. I guess they couldn’t do much on a given week-end to adjust the carbon fibre chassis though, and no-one else could ride his style, and the control tyre moved away from Ducati as well. They had no capacity to build an aluminium twin spar chassis back then as everyone will recall, and actually had to contract out when Valentino correctly I guess insisted on such a chassis.

It was interesting hearing Spalding reflect on how floppy a steel trellis frame chassis is.
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Marc Márquez was the third fastest of the MotoGP tests in Valencia, at 0.154s from the top. After reaching the lead on Wednesday, Marc Márquez was the third fastest of the MotoGP tests in Valencia, at 0.154s from the top. After reaching the lead on Wednesday, the Honda man did not beat Maverick Viñales (Yamaha) and Andrea Dovizioso (Ducati), but he did not try to do it because crashing was prohibited.Speaking to the AS newspaper, the world champion said on the one hand that he could not force his progress since it was forbidden to suffer a fall and, on the other, that there were many things to test: ‘At the end of the track tests It was good, but it was not the day to force it. They forbidden me from falling. They told me that if I fell I wouldn’t go to Jerez. I was threatened with a hard punishment, so I took it easy and ended up testing things I had to test, but I did not test everythingthe Honda man did not beat Maverick Viñales (Yamaha) and Andrea Dovizioso (Ducati), but he did not try to do it because crashing was prohibited.Speaking to the AS newspaper, the world champion said on the one hand that he could not force his progress since it was forbidden to suffer a fall and, on the other, that there were many things to test: ‘At the end of the track tests It was good, but it was not the day to force it. They forbidden me from falling. They told me that if I fell I wouldn’t go to Jerez. I was threatened with a hard punishment, so I took it easy and ended up testing things I had to test, but I did not test everything
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I’m a big Zarco fan, but listening to Neil Spalding yesterday made me realise how different a KTM would feel. From what he was saying using WP instead of Ohlins could be inhibiting them a lot as wel.

Tell you what. It was eye opening the information he put fourth. They ktm should start with the suspension switch first. And when they are trying to make the Ohlins work. They should have Kalex or the madman next door @ tech3 make them an aluminium frame.
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I like KTM but racing-wise I think they are rather pretentious.

CEO's past declarations such as "we'll win the title within 5 years" are bullshit.

They prolly feel very powerful due to their humongous financial resources, but investments are only one of the many, many things you need to build up a competitive GP bike.[/COLOR]

I'd be only happy if one more bike (and of a "different" nationality) would be competitive but KTM has a long way to go before they get there and the sooner they acknowledge it, the better.

Got to agree with you there for sure. Their whole racing department I understand is made up ex HRC employees. They will need to steel some more from Ducati and HRC again to make the quantum leap.

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I like KTM but racing-wise I think they are rather pretentious.

CEO's past declarations such as "we'll win the title within 5 years" are bullshit.

They prolly feel very powerful due to their humongous financial resources, but investments are only one of the many, many things you need to build up a competitive GP bike.

I'd be only happy if one more bike (and of a "different" nationality) would be competitive but KTM has a long way to go before they get there and the sooner they acknowledge it, the better.
Money certainly helps, but as Toyota found out in F1, you can throw a mountain of cash at a project, but if you’re decades behind the competition in know how
, you may never make it to the top. Toyota was another company that never failed in the racing world until they stuck their toe’s into the shark infested waters . MotoGp isn’t motocross, moto 2 or moto 3, just like F1 isn’t IMSA, NASCAR , trophy truck etc etc.
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Tell you what. It was eye opening the information he put fourth. They ktm should start with the suspension switch first. And when they are trying to make the Ohlins work. They should have Kalex or the madman next door @ tech3 make them an aluminium frame.
That’s the thing. They are not going to be able to get tyres which suit their non standard frame or non-standard suspension for a start. It is a shame, but that is the way it is.
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Money certainly helps, but as Toyota found out in F1, you can throw a mountain of cash at a project, but if you’re decades behind the competition in know how
, you may never make it to the top. Toyota was another company that never failed in the racing world until they stuck their toe’s into the shark infested waters . MotoGp isn’t motocross, moto 2 or moto 3, just like F1 isn’t IMSA, NASCAR , trophy truck etc etc.
Yamaha and Ducati never even raced against KTM in the other classes, and largely Honda didn’t try, and won when they decided they wanted to in the 250 class.
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