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November 13th, 2018, 01:59 AM   #31
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For this race I would be stunned if Lorenzo was a factor. Broken wristís donít go from not being able to run within 5 seconds of the leaders and ultimately withdrawing, to contending for a win in 2 weeks. No matter what he says , I canít imagine him pushing any edge in this meaningless race and risking crucial time on the Honda next week.
I don't think he'll race at all, he'll putter around the track for a couple of laps then give up.
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We should also not discount the influence of Cristian Gabbarini who returned to Ducat at the time Lorenzo arrived as well as there have been a lot of co-incidences that have made the Ducati what it has become (all IMO)
Its quite obvious that when you look at the 2017 Ducati then the 2018 version after they changed quite a few bits for Lorenzo he became competitive on it, however Honda has said they will not offer the same on their bikes as they have a golden goose already who is 7 years younger than Lorenzo. IMO Lorenzo has made a stupid mistake by going to Honda, just to stay on a bike.
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"The Ducati and the Honda are probably more similar and he'll (Lorenzo) struggle less"

Mate: this is an off-the-cuff statement in what is a puff piece snippet of PR journalism; not exactly an in-depth analysis of the vast dissimilarities that set the bikes apart.
Suppo is hardly going to openly express to the public discouraging predictions about the chances of an incoming teammate.

I agree w JP that JL will do better than Dani - but he will struggle, at minimum, for the first half of the season. Lorenzo while talented, is no Lawson.

Dude! I never said Lorenzo was going to be A+ with the RCV out the gate. I said he will adapt to it quicker than the Ducati. The Ducati was a good platform for him to graduate from to the Honda RCV.
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Its quite obvious that when you look at the 2017 Ducati then the 2018 version after they changed quite a few bits for Lorenzo he became competitive on it, however Honda has said they will not offer the same on their bikes as they have a golden goose already who is 7 years younger than Lorenzo. IMO Lorenzo has made a stupid mistake by going to Honda, just to stay on a bike.
On the other hand maybe the bits they changed for Lorenzo made the bike better overall including for Dovi.

I agree that no way will he be anything but second priority for HRC while they have MM. At best he is perhaps insurance if MM jumps to Ducati or wherever at the end of his current contract
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On the other hand maybe the bits they changed for Lorenzo made the bike better overall including for Dovi.

I agree that no way will he be anything but second priority for HRC while they have MM. At best he is perhaps insurance if MM jumps to Ducati or wherever at the end of his current contract
By which time he will be 34 if MM jumps ship (6 weeks into the season).
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By which time he will be 34 if MM jumps ship (6 weeks into the season).
There is that.
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I am a little more hopeful. I really thought he was stuck in that exaggeratedly smooth wide sweeping style he adopted perhaps of necessity in his latter days at Yamaha and would never adapt to the Ducati, but he did adapt and quite likely contributed to improving the Ducati. I can see him both adapting again to what is a conventional bike if not set up or conventionally ridden by MM, and Honda themselves seem to have a genuine desire for, and hence a likelihood of investing in, making the bike more generally rideable, I think they are embarrassed customers donít want their bikes.
This would be the rational, pragmatic approach, but Honda's engineering dept. has historically gone against the grain favoring showy innovation that seems more aimed at impressing the wonks at the other factories, over subtle, useable changes that the rider can utilize.

Ducati's biggest failing for years was due to the prideful engineering dept. that stubbornly refused to reconfigure the part of the bike that made it mostly impossible to design a competitive chassis.

Marquez is still young and healthy and able to ride around the bike's issues. Lorenzo, I suspect will be the new parts testing donkey for a while, trying out new and improved high-tech band-aids that the engineers throw at him.
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Lorenzo is a fantastic hedge against a Marquez defection to Ducati. Very clever by Puig.

I expect that a few new skills he's picked up at Ducati will be very handy on the Honda. He's mastered bikes at the two extremes - the extreme cornerspeed/late-apex that the Yamaha likes, and the more aggressive stop-and-go riding that the Ducati likes.
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Lorenzo is a fantastic hedge against a Marquez defection to Ducati. Very clever by Puig.

I expect that a few new skills he's picked up at Ducati will be very handy on the Honda. He's mastered bikes at the two extremes - the extreme cornerspeed/late-apex that the Yamaha likes, and the more aggressive stop-and-go riding that the Ducati likes.
Have you ever seen a bike that can do both regimes?

No I haven't either.
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Lorenzo is a fantastic hedge against a Marquez defection to Ducati. Very clever by Puig.

I expect that a few new skills he's picked up at Ducati will be very handy on the Honda. He's mastered bikes at the two extremes - the extreme cornerspeed/late-apex that the Yamaha likes, and the more aggressive stop-and-go riding that the Ducati likes.
If nothing else he brings more sponsorship cash than any other of the available riders, and will doubtless garner more points towards the constructors championship than Dani. I'm very curious to see how far HRC will go to accommodate his riding style.
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