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November 4th, 2018, 03:39 PM   #61
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I don't think Rossi "cracked" or had a brain fart etc, any more than Dovi did in Thailand. Sometimes, shit just happens.
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Even Jorge thinks VR did well .................

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Good to see a (mainly) mature discussion.

The performance of the Suzukis and the improvement of the Yamahas bodes so well for 2019 alongside the already strong Hondas and Ducati.

Yamaha and Suzuki need another step, but, unless the past four races were an illusion, we're getting closer to the parity we saw in 2006.
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WOW! Is it really the same spot?
No, opposite ends of the track.
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Good to see a (mainly) mature discussion.

The performance of the Suzukis and the improvement of the Yamahas bodes so well for 2019 alongside the already strong Hondas and Ducati.

Yamaha and Suzuki need another step, but, unless the past four races were an illusion, we're getting closer to the parity we saw in 2006.
Again .... you are aware that rossi got no points at Sepang arent you?

Sepang was a lesser result for Yam. than PI ..... why are you believing they went better? fruitcake!
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I don't think Rossi "cracked" or had a brain fart etc, any more than Dovi did in Thailand. Sometimes, shit just happens.
Sure, he didnít do anything stupid, both riders were really pushing hard, and despite it looking as though MM was the more likely to make a mistake it was Rossi who did. A problem when you are racing a 25 year old MM at age 39, he has ridiculous reflexes and is perhaps as good at saving a bike from a semi-lose, or on occasion a near complete lose, as anyone has ever been.
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I have read and heard a few comments along the lines of pressure, but also there have been some questioning whether Rossi simply tired and made a mistake.

I do not know the answer but the commentary was along the lines of it being some time since he has been in that position of managing a gap which then started to decrease to of all people, Marquez (the man most likely to risk a move). Plus the comments were saying quite simply that he is riding a bike that he is not enjoying or finding as 'easy' as he would like and whilst yes, it all adds to pressure the thought was simply that it was unfamiliar territory pressure.

Not sure I fully agree with the comments as Rossi has been there and done that, but he has built a lot of pressure around how bad the bike has been and has not been able to be as consistent as years previous for a long time, and yet here we were at Sepang, one of the steamiest places raced and he managed for near the whole race.

Good show, good effort and bodes well if he can maintain it.

Not about to tip against him at Valencia either as he is in a battle with his team mate for honours and no doubt he does not want a winless season at Yamaha
Even with the best bike over the years,Valencia has been Rossiís Waterloo . I canít see him fighting for the win at all with the pace that Marquez, Lorenzo, Dani and even Dovi have show there.
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Again .... you are aware that rossi got no points at Sepang arent you?

Sepang was a lesser result for Yam. than PI ..... why are you believing they went better? fruitcake!
I was going to take issue with you, but you have a point actually, even 2nd (the best position Valentino definitely had the pace to achieve), 4th and 5th would have been inferior to the PI result, a win being a win.

I didn’t see the incident for which MM was penalised, but if he broke a rule he broke a rule, Valentino was penalised for a similar infraction in 2015, but as far as race performance/pace in isolation goes Valentino’s 1.3 second lead might not have been achieved had MM not received the grid penalty.

(EDIT Valentino still showed serious pace and left Dovi and Vinales in his wake though, and while I agree with others it is unlikely he can sustain this level of pace for a whole season, still very impressive at this stage in his career to be able to push MM in his prime as he did, and Synn may be correct that further wins are still in prospect for him, although MM may have a say in that.)

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Even with the best bike over the years,Valencia has been Rossiís Waterloo . I canít see him fighting for the win at all with the pace that Marquez, Lorenzo, Dani and even Dovi have show there.
All true, but I say the win aspects purely as without a Valencia win, this will be his first season in grands prix (excluding the Ducati years) across all classes where he has not had a win.

Something I expect will be motivation enough, never mind beating his younger team mate in the standings, even if it is not the top steps as there is a lot at stake.

While I do expect MM to be the likely, Lorenzo will still be riding hurt and Dovi will need to get out in front quick as it is a single line circuit.

As a wildcard - Ianonne.,
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All true, but I say the win aspects purely as without a Valencia win, this will be his first season in grands prix (excluding the Ducati years) across all classes where he has not had a win.

Something I expect will be motivation enough, never mind beating his younger team mate in the standings, even if it is not the top steps as there is a lot at stake.

While I do expect MM to be the likely, Lorenzo will still be riding hurt and Dovi will need to get out in front quick as it is a single line circuit.

As a wildcard - Ianonne.,
If Marquez was to win and have 10 wins this season it would be pretty exceptional. If not for a stall in Argentina and what happen last at PI he may already be at 10 or 11 which would be pretty insane with the current rules.
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